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Thread: Will the DUP agree to transfer of policing and justice before SF's christmas deadline

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    Silly people who care nothing about what people actually want.

    They have no mandate. Whatsoever.
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    So Cowen is meeting yet again today with NI ministers..

    Does anything actually come out of these meetings? It just seems like one big pretence from Britain and Ireland to give the impression that either country actually cares if the Assembly collapses, neither of them are giving either side any incentive to alter position, other than Britain's £1bn promise if J&P is devolved within a reasonable timeframe.

    The DUP are definitely not going to meet McGuinness' demands by Christmas so it really is a ticking timebomb now. I'm not sure people realise quite how serious a situation this is.

    The unionists have yet again proven they cannot cooperate under any circumstances, and with a new IRA group forming on one side and the TUV on the other, the failure of institution in the six counties could ignite a really nasty situation.

    The only possibly scenario in which there isn't a radical change in the status of NI is if there is an election and a unionist party wins outright - which is almost impossible.

    A republican first minister = Assembly collapse = direct rule from London = violence and chaos etc.

    Direct rule from London and Dublin then becomes the only answer?

    Would NI be considered part of the UK in that case? Would it's sovereign status have to change?

    A united Ireland is a lot closer from the point of NI being separate from both nations than it is as part of the UK. The benefits have to be stacked incredibly high in favour of change for change to win in any referendum, people almost always stick with the evil they know, but if NI was independent and the vote was to join either the UK, or the Republic, or neither - well that's different.

    Hurry up xmas though, this shiz is going on too long, enough phoney "meetings" that yield nothing.



    Also, regarding the problem the Republic would have financing the 6 counties, perhaps the US could play a financial role?

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    Does McGuinness have the liathroidí to bring down the assembly after unionists (inevitably) refuse to move on the policing and justice is the big question.

    He will look extremely weak and foolish if he doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amach na Casca View Post
    Does McGuinness have the liathroidí to bring down the assembly after unionists (inevitably) refuse to move on the policing and justice is the big question.

    He will look extremely weak and foolish if he doesn't.
    Sinn Fein have the moral high ground at the moment, the best thing for them to do now is to trumpet that in the media and resign after xmas, triggering an election they'd almost certainly win due to unionist vote splitting, and watch Stormont collapse, exposing unionism once again as a fundamentally unsustainable influence on NI politics.

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    Sinn Fein would not resign their seats because of what seems to be the growing support for other republican groups especially this new eirigi group and the lack of progress on their part on any substantive gains for nationalists on policing, housing, jobs.
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    McGuinness was just voted the most popular minister in NI and in the EU elections SF came out as the largest party in the 6 counties...

    Now is a not a bad time for them to resign :P

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    I can only go by what i hear and see and given that the DUP can see how an election might go they will look for a fudge on Policing, but i still think that Sinn Fein should be worried about some of the other republican groups as they are gaining ground and this in and of itself could split the nationalist vote,
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtypony View Post
    I can only go by what i hear and see and given that the DUP can see how an election might go they will look for a fudge on Policing, but i still think that Sinn Fein should be worried about some of the other republican groups as they are gaining ground and this in and of itself could split the nationalist vote,
    personal votes leaders can not carry an election.
    SDLP is dying.

    éirígí and SF might find common ground in a post-Stormont collapse NI.

    It's pretty rose tinted for the shinners tbh.

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    Fair enough evaluation, but as to the SDLP dying we have heard that one before.
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    Sorry Yixian about the rep I clicked the wrong button but will make up for it.
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