Vol Brenden Huges on Michael Stone

[Ráth Cúil]

I fixed that for you.

Who's going to listen to someone that's so contridictory as to say he lives in "the last outpost of freedom", yet, quotes Winston Churchill, one of the great Imperialists of the 20th century??

Brendan Hughes has done more for Ireland than the likes of you Seoníns will ever do.

[Pat Mc Larnon]

So Pat, does the party know that you are taking the D.U.P. line on victims?

I know that there is a point in there somewhere but still can't factor it into Michael Stone being as much a victim as the people he killed.

[the dark angel]

I fixed that for you.

Is from ''the last outpost of freedom'' yet edits other peoples posts!

[Clanrickard]

Is from ''the last outpost of freedom'' yet edits other peoples posts!

Amazing to see that the posters commenting on my post could only highlight my profile. That some scumbag calls himself a Volunteer is an insult to the brave men and women of our War of Independence and an insult to the sacrifices they made so we could have a free democratic country.

[Trans-Siberian]

Amazing to see that the posters commenting on my post could only highlight my profile. That some scumbag calls himself a Volunteer is an insult to the brave men and women of our War of Independence and an insult to the sacrifices they made so we could have a free democratic country.

You are an ignorant person and have proved on my occasions on htis forum that it is you who are the scumbag.

[SevenStars]

Amazing to see that the posters commenting on my post could only highlight my profile. That some scumbag calls himself a Volunteer is an insult to the brave men and women of our War of Independence and an insult to the sacrifices they made so we could have a free democratic country.

Generally upper middle class in Dublin refer to proletarians as scumbags...Is that what you mean by refering to Vol Brendan Huges as a scumbag? Yes he was working class. Have you ever considered the depth and length of the sacrafices made by people in the occupied six counties in the struggle against colonialism and oppression there? Can you not at least admire the nobility of the sentiment that he expresses?

If you had grown up in the same circumstances as Brendan Hughes how would you have reacted? Can you place yourself in his shoes or does you imagination not stretch that far?

[Ráth Cúil]

Generally upper middle class in Dublin refer to proletarians as scumbags...Is that what you mean by refering to Vol Brendan Huges as a scumbag? Yes he was working class. Have you ever considered the depth and length of the sacrafices made by people in the occupied six counties in the struggle against colonialism and oppression there? Can you not at least admire the nobility of the sentiment that he expresses?

If you had grown up in the same circumstances as Brendan Hughes how would you have reacted? Can you place yourself in his shoes or does you imagination not stretch that far?

Excellant post.

People like Clanrickard can't remove themselves for 2 seconds from the cosy insular world of their large gated manors.

[jdaly]

I know that there is a point in there somewhere but still can't factor it into Michael Stone being as much a victim as the people he killed.

The point is that if we believe partition was and is the cause of the 'troubles' then both loyalist and republican can be viewed as 'victims' even when they were participants. Sinn Fein believes that ira volunteers were victims of the troubles so Stone can't be ruled out either if you support s.f's analysis. Personally I have trouble with the 'no hierarchy of victims' thing. I see a volunteer on active service as different from a person going about their business. I see a volunteer on active service as different to a British soldier. I believe there are different categories of victims and that it is ridiculous to say that the death of a child in it's bed from an ruc bullet is just the same as the death of a british soldier from an ira bullet or vice versa.
Re Stone, I was in Milltown that day and it is one of those days that will remain in the memory.
I remember hearing the first grenade going off, looking around, being unable to see what was happening, more thuds, Adams roaring 'get down, get down.' people throwing themselves to the ground and others surging towards what we later knew was Stone, seeing Stone then running casually, turning to fire, running again and unselfishly, heroic men chasing him. A terrible day, not one I'd want to see again.

[SonnyLaymatina]

The point is that if we believe partition was and is the cause of the 'troubles' then both loyalist and republican can be viewed as 'victims' even when they were participants. Sinn Fein believes that ira volunteers were victims of the troubles so Stone can't be ruled out either if you support s.f's analysis. Personally I have trouble with the 'no hierarchy of victims' thing. I see a volunteer on active service as different from a person going about their business. I see a volunteer on active service as different to a British soldier. I believe there are different categories of victims and that it is ridiculous to say that the death of a child in it's bed from an ruc bullet is just the same as the death of a british soldier from an ira bullet or vice versa.
Re Stone, I was in Milltown that day and it is one of those days that will remain in the memory.
I remember hearing the first grenade going off, looking around, being unable to see what was happening, more thuds, Adams roaring 'get down, get down.' people throwing themselves to the ground and others surging towards what we later knew was Stone, seeing Stone then running casually, turning to fire, running again and unselfishly, heroic men chasing him. A terrible day, not one I'd want to see again.

Excellent points! And wasn't an RUC Van waiting just outside of the Milltown Cemetary to rescue Stone from the men chasing him?

Clearly the SS-RUC-PSNI have their hierarchy of victims because any decent police officer would have shot Stone there and then.

And weren't they the same bunch who helped out in the killing of Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson?

[Pat Mc Larnon]

The point is that if we believe partition was and is the cause of the 'troubles' then both loyalist and republican can be viewed as 'victims' even when they were participants. Sinn Fein believes that ira volunteers were victims of the troubles so Stone can't be ruled out either if you support s.f's analysis. Personally I have trouble with the 'no hierarchy of victims' thing. I see a volunteer on active service as different from a person going about their business. I see a volunteer on active service as different to a British soldier. I believe there are different categories of victims and that it is ridiculous to say that the death of a child in it's bed from an ruc bullet is just the same as the death of a british soldier from an ira bullet or vice versa.
Re Stone, I was in Milltown that day and it is one of those days that will remain in the memory.
I remember hearing the first grenade going off, looking around, being unable to see what was happening, more thuds, Adams roaring 'get down, get down.' people throwing themselves to the ground and others surging towards what we later knew was Stone, seeing Stone then running casually, turning to fire, running again and unselfishly, heroic men chasing him. A terrible day, not one I'd want to see again.

Your analysis on what SF 'believes' is open to question. Reading your piece it is clear you don't even believe your own argument on what constitutes a victim and how it applies to Stone.