Dan Boyle getting hammered on Pat Kenny over motor trade

[pjbrady]

Is this the same Bill who twisted his own Maths inside out in a previous edition of this whinge on the Late Late show. Didn't he start spouting about "Everyone in the audience tonight and at home have lost <insert value of several billion> in value on their cars.
He seemed to fail to recognise that the very same audience could now pickup a cheaper newer car after trading in their current car at it's "Green collapsed" value.
Massively hypocritical on his own part to continue bringing up this argument when one of the major themse (of his enjoyable book, I actually liked it) was "The mother always said no whinging".
The Maths are the same for the customer Bill if their current trade in has collapsed in value they have the opportunity to take that price and get someone elses cheaper car. It's a zero sum game.

N I thought the CO2 emissions only applied to New Cars and imported re-registered cars. How is it suddenly stopping you moving numbers in your garages. The customer is financially stretched the argument should finish at that point. Instead of this "they increased this, which reduced that, n now you can't sell it for that"

N his cheap shot that "THey haven't got the money for the little girls" was ridiculous. HAve a pop at your chum Bertie if you can get a word in his 80 hour a week working ear.

Last note to Bill, how are you managing the old 5am to 7pm these days when I see you stretched across every radio station, tv station, glossy magazine? Shouldn't you be figuring out ways to diversify out of Hotels and cars? The Bill Cullen I read about in the book would be trying something new, but I just don't see nothing currently except a media campaign against the Greens and Bill n Jackie in the Sauna photos in VIP magazine.

[irish_bob]

while dan boyle is a douchebag , cullen must be doing covert work for fianna fail , the greens are responsible for the collapse in the motor trade , horse manure

[Digout]

Poor old Dan is playing the victim on his twitter page again.

Receiving a few messages from men in the motor trade today.

[pjbrady]

Not sure it would be undercover stirring as it would be a massive PR disaster for both him and FF if it ever got leaked somehow.
What I really can't understand is how someone can have all o those millions in Liquid cash and base his current and future business empire solely on car sales, a renault service network (gone now), hotels, pubs and some commercial property near some o the newer garages.
If we say all o the book is true n some o it might be embellished what happened to the razor sharp ahead o the game mind which always knew where the 1% profit was? I have scribbles at home from early 2007 which basically worked out Anglo were broke once a few o their big deals would sour. Did he never think once when he got up at dawn "Hang on, if the banks are broke, n the government is broke, n property is bust, ..... then, .... then...... CO2 emissions on new cars?, The Greens have killed us, they've killed us. Put on the coddle this will be a long one"

[adamirer]

Dan is doing really badly. Just like Mary White his maths is all over the place. He stated that 1/8th of the population changing their cars every year was unsustainable. He was corrected by Bill Cullen that it is 1/80th. Dan got very ratty bringing in Cullen's loss of the Renault franchise into it and calling Cullen 'obsessed' with this.

well including kids, theres 4m people in ireland.
1/80 is 50,000. There wer emore than 100,000 cars/bikes/vehicles registered in dublin alone for the last number of years. Multiply that by 4 for your rough figures and Boyle is much closer than Cullen.

[irish_bob]

well including kids, theres 4m people in ireland.
1/80 is 50,000. There wer emore than 100,000 cars/bikes/vehicles registered in dublin alone for the last number of years. Multiply that by 4 for your rough figures and Boyle is much closer than Cullen.

no question , cullen was the one talking crap in this debate , were it not for the fact that dan boyle is such a weak and unimpressive ( man ) debater , this would be clearly apparent

[goosebump]

Not sure it would be undercover stirring as it would be a massive PR disaster for both him and FF if it ever got leaked somehow.
What I really can't understand is how someone can have all o those millions in Liquid cash and base his current and future business empire solely on car sales, a renault service network (gone now), hotels, pubs and some commercial property near some o the newer garages.
If we say all o the book is true n some o it might be embellished what happened to the razor sharp ahead o the game mind which always knew where the 1% profit was? I have scribbles at home from early 2007 which basically worked out Anglo were broke once a few o their big deals would sour. Did he never think once when he got up at dawn "Hang on, if the banks are broke, n the government is broke, n property is bust, ..... then, .... then...... CO2 emissions on new cars?, The Greens have killed us, they've killed us. Put on the coddle this will be a long one"

Reps to you pj, both for this post, and having the stomach to work your way through 'De Booek'.

[pjbrady]

What I often wonder about when he is interviewed. What work is there to do in a car dealership at 5 am or 6 am. So you get to the office scan the papers for anything worthwhile, get a coffee that's twenty minutes.
Setup your plan o the day. Your not open till 9.
What could you be doing, paperwork is usually all processed at sales time or end of day.

[amblincork]

no question , cullen was the one talking crap in this debate , were it not for the fact that dan boyle is such a weak and unimpressive ( man ) debater , this would be clearly apparent

The point is that it would have been so easy to point that Cuillens figures did not stand up to scrutiny that it makes it even worse for Boyle. He didnt have the bottle to stand his ground. Here is the report in the Indo :
By Aidan O'Connor
Tuesday June 30 2009
A BLISTERING public row between the Green Party and 'Apprentice' frontman Bill Cullen over the collapsing motor industry deepened last night.
Green Party chairman Dan Boyle accused the tycoon of embarking on a personal and political crusade against his party after the finance spokesman was left red-faced after an embarrassing gaffe live on air.
Mr Boyle was forced to apologise to Mr Cullen on radio after he got his facts wrong during a debate on the 'Today' with the Pat Kenny radio programme.
Mr Cullen has lambasted the Green Party on a number of TV and radio interviews and blamed the junior Government partner for "killing" the motor trade with changes to the car tax regime in favour of less polluting vehicles that cost the economy billions of euro.
He claimed the motor industry has collapsed by 65pc -- and the Green Party is mostly to blame.
Mr Boyle rejected the claims, but was slapped down by the former Renault Ireland chief when he said one-in-eight people in the country were getting a new car every year during the boom years. But Mr Cullen responded: "Hold on Dan, mathematics, you'd want to go back to school. You're saying one in eight of the population, it's one in 80, well 8 and 80 is a huge difference and here we are with the Greens again getting it all wrong."
Mr Boyle replied "I'm sorry, I'm sorry", but the damage was already done.
"You're sorry? It's too late now. You killed the motor trade, people can't buy a new car, you stopped it and it's all because of the Greens," Mr Cullen snapped back.
Mr Cullen later insisted he had "nothing against the Green Party or Mr Boyle "per se",
But he added: "They need to get their heads out of the sand and accept they've contributed to this."
- Aidan O'Connor

[socialdemocrate]

Also, I am starting to get the feeling that the Greens may see economic collapse as a way of reducing CO2 emissions and perhaps they aren't all that interested in economic recovery if it means our carbon foot print might increase too.

I remember back in the day when the idealists still had control of the green party, they advocated slowing down the economy by doing stuff like banning all heavy trucks and making them use the railways and....... canals