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The paper is losing credability by the day. Some of the editorials and columnists are so biased it would make Rupert Murdoch blush.
WHY DO YOU HATE EUROPE? [COLOR="White"]i[/COLOR]Originally Posted by Big Bobo
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"Irish civil servants in Brussels mocked by euro counterparts over no vote" is another of my favourites
Oh that was a classic, you can see it now, some poor Irish Euroservants running down the halls of of the buildings of Espace Léopold being jeered and heckled by their "European friends" and all taking refuge crying in the toilets.
Total nonsense from what I've heard.
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It's all about decency. For once the liberal set has not got its own way and they dont like it one bit. Expect the tantrum throwing to turn into pure sulking as they realise nobody has any reason to change their mind
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Well - don't buy it. I agree that since Kennedy took over as editor the quality has gone downhill. However, it is a private company and can take whatever line it wants on any issue.
If you want a solid, consistent, anti Lisbon slant of Ireland and the treaty, buy the Daily Telegraph. Obviously not great on other Irish news stories but it gives huge coverage to Ireland and Lisbon. Also has a very good sports section albeit with scratchy GAA coverage!
All I want are the facts or at least an illusion of balance and fairness to both sides. I still want the opinions of yes people and the reasons why they are voting yes just not blatant propaganda.
It's a cultural thing. The voting on referenda on EU treaties has become increasing polarised between lower income and higher income groups. The highest level of support for the Lisbon Treaty in the last referendum was among middle aged high income groups in south Dublin, i.e. Irish Times readers, of about 75-80%.
My thoughts on this are as follows:
- These sort of people are best able to influence policy at a European level because they are most likely to have second languages and share policy concerns with those in other European countries. Among them there is a level of distaste for the clientelism / parish pump nature of Irish politics and the level of populism and lack of sophistication among Irish politicians. The less direct a democracy the more influence the wealthy / educated groups within society have relative to the poorer / less educated groups. Also, the less direct a democracy the less influence younger voters have as it takes many years for them to move up through the system.
- Culturally these people feel more European than other groups in Ireland. They are more likely to spend holidays in continental Europe, whereas obviously lower income groups have less access to these sorts of holidays with financial concerns meaning that they need to look for cheaper holidays which are more likely to be limited to resorts. Their cuisine is less Irish - pasta rather than potatoes, Chianti rather than Guinness, pesto rather than porridge. Their children learning French/German/Italian is more important than them learning Irish.
I suspect that's not what Bobo is looking for, more that he's looking for some balance and objective analysis rather than either pro-treaty flag waving or treaty bashing.
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That'd be the text of the treaty itself then.
On the subject of the IT, is there no one I can complain to?
Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are, and those few dare not oppose themselves to the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to defend them.
- [SIZE=2]Niccolò Machiavelli[/SIZE]
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