Sarah Carey takes a swipe at The Sunday Times over Lisbon

[constitutionus]

well you dont know that either as the newstalk anonymous poll showed half the dail didnt vote the way they campaigned in public.

[borntorum]

so did the pro lisbon hack bother her arse to vote or not?

Apparently not. Those who fulfilled their national democratic obligations, but voted No, are traitors, apparently. But those who jet off to the US of A and don't bother to vote get a weekly column in the Irish Times. Go figure.

[Trampas]

I'm surprised some people are even discussing this. Given that she is in favour of the Lisbon Treaty she would have voted Yes if she was in the country.

Such hero worship. Sad.

[lostexpectation]

I have only read Sarah's article now and as usual I am impressed by it. She is the most intelligent, progressive woman in the country as far as I'm concerned.

she said nepotism is good for democracy that's hardly progressive.

[Odyessus]

she said nepotism is good for democracy that's hardly progressive.

I think Darren is Sarah.

[hopi watcher]

I did read the article, only this morning as it happens. That doesn't even remotely prove your point. Nowhere in that does it show she suggests that Irish society would never develop (which is of course a preposterous statement to even say someone suggested it never mind suggesting it) without the influence of Brussels.

Carey clearly implies that it required membership of the EU to move the social agenda forward. That is the whole point of the article: what is the point that she is making if not that one? She childishly accuses women who voted 'no' of being treacherous on the basis that is was the EU that brought them various benefits. The fact is that all those benefits where in the mixer and would have occured under local influence and impetus. The changes also required the agreement of the Irish people and if as is being suggested that Irish society was hostile to such changes, then they would not have materialised. (Or are you saying that Brussels is a dictatorship?)We still have derogation on other social issues. You can play with words all you wish, but as previously stated, if you are a supporter of Lisbon, you and Carey are doing that cause more damage than Ganley ever could simply by being disengenuous. If you have to resort to 'smoke and daggers' then is is easy to conclude that a campaign of distraction is on the go. And of course that begs the question; Why?