Irish Times:"women to blame for blacks taking over world"

[code twinkle]

Dozily perusing the Irish Times' opinion page on the train this morning, I was shocked awake when I came across the most ill-founded reactionary piece of writing I've ever seen in this right-wing rag since Charles Krauthammer. (And yes, to pre-empt any smart-asses, I am right off the fence on this one, hence why I'm posting the topic to hear alternative views that might change my mind.)

Not only is the paper of record now printing Krauthammer's neo-con views, not only have they a regular Boy's Own-type 'killing people-to-achieve-political-goals-is-tough-work-but-someone's-got-to-do-it' column from some random imperial foot-soldier in Afghanistan, they now seem to be wholly comfortable printing rascist, chauvinist opinions that purport to be based on fact by some loon called Desmond Fennell. Entitled "Grim reality of why the West's white race is now a dying breed", it's explanatory theory is totally unsupported by any data whatsoever and is so speculative that it's hard to see how it could even be falsified.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...243760069.html

I am posting this in the media section as I don't think Fennell's views need debating they are that factually unfounded, (though enivitably to discuss this, reference would need to be made to what he wrote) but what I want to know is
what has happened to the 'paper of record'?

Fennell's piece is shocking, bordering on white supremacist ideology in its basic assumptions that 1) there is such a thing as a pure white race, 2) that the West equals white, and 3) it signifies the end of European civilisation if the white population drops even further.

The sole fact he cites that can be supported is that European and American birth rates are dropping as a result of women having more control and choice over their reproductive options, the rest is aload of racist, chauvinistic crap.

Is the Irish Times justified in publishing this? And if it is, is it something a 'paper of record' should find is worth publishing?

[Clanrickard]

The sole fact he cites that can be supported is that European and American birth rates are dropping as a result of women having more control and choice over their reproductive options, the rest is aload of racist, chauvinistic crap.

I was waitng for someone to comment on this article. I suspected someone would shilly denounce it as racist and sexist which right on cue you did. There is nothing racist about the article at all. The article was stating some bald facts. The Western world is aborting, contracepting, divorcing and feminizing itself out of existence and that will have severe reprussions for our grand children 9the handful that will be born).

[code twinkle]

The sole fact he cites that can be supported is that European and American birth rates are dropping as a result of women having more control and choice over their reproductive options, the rest is aload of racist, chauvinistic crap.

I was waitng for someone to comment on this article. I suspected someone would shilly denounce it as racist and sexist which right on cue you did. There is nothing racist about the article at all. The article was stating some bald facts. The Western world is aborting, contracepting, divorcing and feminizing itself out of existence and that will have severe reprussions for our grand children 9the handful that will be born).

He actually doesn't mention severe repercussions - care to enlighten us as to what kind of scary things you deduced that these were?

Obviously, the fact that you identified it as a column that would cause offence is revealing in itself.

But I take it then that you are happy the IT publishes this?

[popper]

Not used to reading intelligent views dissimilar to your own code twinkle? Nothing racist whatsoever about what Fennell says. Indeed it is a critique of the way "white" people have run western socieities since 1945. There is a world outside Sociology 101

[code twinkle]

Not used to reading intelligent views dissimilar to your own code twinkle? Nothing racist whatsoever about what Fennell says. Indeed it is a critique of the way "white" people have run western socieities since 1945. There is a world outside Sociology 101

hmm is this a world where i as a female get to choose whether to be pregnant every year until my menopause?

[Clanrickard]

Obviously, the fact that you identified it as a column that would cause offence is revealing in itself.

But I take it then that you are happy the IT publishes this?

First of all I am delighted the IT published it. It is a wake up call to the selfishness and me-me-me generation.

The column didn't cause me offense but the left and the feminists I knew would get their knickers in a knot over it as Mr. Fennell rightly points out that governments have left wing types as their ethical guides which has resulted in sharp population declines in western countries.

As for the scary cosequences well just think for a second about the damamge to a country an inverted population pyramid would do economically and socially. If the white population reduces the difference will be made up by people from ethnic backgrounds whose committment to democracy and human rights may be questionable with severe consequences for the political structure of a futre European continent.

[Clanrickard]

Not used to reading intelligent views dissimilar to your own code twinkle? Nothing racist whatsoever about what Fennell says. Indeed it is a critique of the way "white" people have run western socieities since 1945. There is a world outside Sociology 101

hmm is this a world where i as a female get to choose whether to be pregnant every year until my menopause?

No but all men and women have an obligation to have kids in my book. Those that don't should be taxed accordingly. I have kids and they'll be paying for the healthcare (which commies like you think the taxpayer should fund ad infinitum) which those people who were too lazy/selfish to have kids need. The childless meanwhile will be off footlose and fancy free while us with kids will trying to rear our kids and provide for future generations.

[lowtaxireland]

so.....how are things looking in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Chine as far as birth rates go? If i said that these guys were failing to reproduce, would that make me anti-Asian?

[code twinkle]

Obviously, the fact that you identified it as a column that would cause offence is revealing in itself.

But I take it then that you are happy the IT publishes this?

First of all I am delighted the IT published it. It is a wake up call to the selfishness and me-me-me generation.

The column didn't cause me offense but the left and the feminists I knew would get their knickers in a knot over it as Mr. Fennell rightly points out that governments have left wing types as their ethical guides which has resulted in sharp population declines in western countries.

As for the scary cosequences well just think for a second about the damamge to a country an inverted population pyramid would do economically and socially. If the white population reduces the difference will be made up by people from ethnic backgrounds whose committment to democracy and human rights may be questionable with severe consequences for the political structure of a futre European continent.

Well yes European population rates are still increasing so you're right that non-'whites' are making up the difference.

You fail to understand that democracy is an outcome of a power-equilibrium where those who seek political power see the best way of achieving this is to play by the rules of repeated election. Democracy isn't a racial characteristic!!

And please, if you are going to refute that last statement, link me to the journal of genetics or biology or scientific article that can prove this.

[code twinkle]

so.....how are things looking in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Chine as far as birth rates go? If i said that these guys were failing to reproduce, would that make me anti-Asian?

Indeed I said the ONLY FACT in Fennell's article was that Causcasian birth-rates are declining as women's choices open up. I explicitly took offence at his explantory theory, not his citation of this fact.

So NO, rest-assured, it wouldn't make you anti-Asian.