Although I do not agree with some of the strange positions taken up by the Aubane- Athol Society, I think the more we have carefully researched discussion of difficult historical subjects the better. But make no mistake about it, real research will prove that the men of 1921 were no saints, and that they had innocent blood on their hands, certainly in my part of the country, near Slievenamon. Many a so called spy was no such thing.
Supporting Bertie Ahern by insinuating that a newspaper is in the pay of forces outside the country is hardly "something a bit unorthodox" - it's conspiracy-mongering.Originally Posted by cropbeye
Then explain how Mag Tom managed to gain complete control of the august organ in the way he did a generation ago.Supporting Bertie Ahern by insinuating that a newspaper is in the pay of forces outside the country is hardly "something a bit unorthodox" - it's conspiracy-mongering.
One must also remember the chronology of the coverage of the arms trial and the explicit mission of everyone working in the grand old dame
of Dolier st since to demonise anybody associated with same case. Also how is it that every decade or so the Times always makes a miracalous
escape from almost certain financial colapse and continue on as before oblivious. Also there is the question of the mysterious trust. It is supposed to be a
fund for charity expecially for education. No trace of any magor donation to any conventional charity. It appears the educational mission is to teach the
ungratefull natives a need to be reeducated to the glories of the Empire and the requirement for us to appreciate our betters who know so much better
than us how to put things to rights in the context of our rightfull place in the Anglo sphere.
Do you want to defy pigeon holes and at the
same time avoid designer synicism Laugh with
rage!
Have you read the John Martin book, Cropbeye? It might be interesting to give us aThen explain how Mag Tom managed to gain complete control of the august organ in the way he did a generation ago.Supporting Bertie Ahern by insinuating that a newspaper is in the pay of forces outside the country is hardly "something a bit unorthodox" - it's conspiracy-mongering.
One must also remember the chronology of the coverage of the arms trial and the explicit mission of everyone working in the grand old dame
of Dolier st since to demonise anybody associated with same case. Also how is it that every decade or so the Times always makes a miracalous
escape from almost certain financial colapse and continue on as before oblivious. Also there is the question of the mysterious trust. It is supposed to be a
fund for charity expecially for education. No trace of any magor donation to any conventional charity. It appears the educational mission is to teach the
ungratefull natives a need to be reeducated to the glories of the Empire and the requirement for us to appreciate our betters who know so much better
than us how to put things to rights in the context of our rightfull place in the Anglo sphere.
review.
Having said that, the IPR crowd also have it for the other newspapers critical of
Ahern as well,such as the Irish Examiner.
The Irish Times leads and the Irish Examiner follows slavishly. spat David Alvey
on Indymedia in November 2006.
I think the Aubane/IPR group have it in
for the Examiner as well because their columnist T. Ryle Dwyer rubbished one of Brendan Clifford's
books years ago, and also one of the Examiner's contributers is Diarmuid
Ferriter, whom Brendan Clifford claims is a "revisionist". There's an awful lot
of malice in Clifford's writing-he seems to hate all other historians (jealously,
perhaps?).
Reading everything from IPR/Aubane/ Athol Books, you get the strong feeling that Brendan Clifford
is the intellectual "engine" driving the organisation, rather like Gerry Healy
was the focus of the Workers Revolutionary Party in the UK or Ted Grant was in the "Militant
Tendency".
I wonder when Clifford retires or passes on (he's in his seventies now, isn't he?)
will the group disband?
As I understand it, the official purpose of the Irish Times trust is to maintain the paper's editorial
independence and prevent it falling into the hands of someone like Tony O'Reilly,
Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Times_Trust
It is supposed to be similar to the Scott Trust
in Britain which owns the Guardian. After the poor Irish Press went under a few
years ago, I heard one commentator lamenting a similar trust didn't exist
to protect the Press titles.
On another tangent, has anybody analyzed Thomas Crosbie Holdings,
which owns the "Irish Examiner" and "Evening Echo", among other holdings?
There was a short notice about John Martin's book "The Irish Times:Past and Present"
in the current edition of "Books Ireland",pg. 156.
Sounds like they didn't like it.....His book is a highly critical account of the Irish Times...This is a highly coloured view of the
paper,making selective use of sources to pursue a predetermined line.It is reminiscent of the type of
tract produced by the Aubane Historical Society.
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