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    Gabriel Byrne on George Bernard Shaw-Leftie Luvvie in?

    Just watching Gabriel Byrne documentary on George Bernard Shaw on RTE. Typical guff. Usual suspects show up to champion the cause of one of their own.Diarmuid Ferriter, Fintan O Toole, Michael D and Daire O Brien etc.Shaw incredible ability to see the big picture. Told it how it was etc etc. Very litte about the link below till about five minutes left when Fintan tells us that his support for Hitler and Mussolini shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him or to take away from all he contributed. Typical lefties----what's a few million slaughtered and oppressed so long as you're a card carrying Socialist.Gas, a clip shows Shaw's picture with a framed picture of Stalin on the mantlepiece. Don't remember the luvvies giving the same wide berth to Francis Stuart for his perceived Nazi sympathies during WW2. Byrne tells us his abiding sense when he thinks of Shaw the man is one of compassion, humanity and courage. I suspect the slaughtered millions would beg to differ.
    How Shaw defended Stalin's mass killings - Telegraph
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    He was a lunatic and a psychopath who supported mass-murder of any person the state decided was useless.



    His was a sick and evil man, like all the other useful idiots.



    Fk him. I hope he is in hell.
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    A lot of people got it wrong regarding Stalin. Their moments of awakening came late for some that you'd find surprising.

    Against that you'd have to put his filleting of the arms trade, scepticism of empire and of all its singing and dancing Christian enablers and allow everyone a mistake or two.
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    No, it was unfocused though.
    I didn't feel I knew Shaw really after it.
    It was like Fergal Keane's Irish history programme.

    They raised his belief that Hitler, Stalin & Mussolini were needed to provide a shock or reboot.

    It was crazy at the time but way way worse from this standpoint
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    He was a lunatic and a psychopath who supported mass-murder of any person the state decided was useless.



    His was a sick and evil man, like all the other useful idiots.



    Fk him. I hope he is in hell.
    It was shocking stuff. Michael D, Fintan and the rest of the lads telling us in breathless tones what a great man he was. No wonder the lefties call the shots in the literary world. Everything is excused as long as you stay a leftie. So toxic. No wonder Joyce had to get out of this kip. The nets are still up
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    He was and is a world figure.
    He won an Oscar and Nobel prize.
    Labour and FG named a warship for him.

    Did he ever renounce his views about the dictators?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dearghoul View Post
    A lot of people got it wrong regarding Stalin. Their moments of awakening came late for some that you'd find surprising.

    Against that you'd have to put his filleting of the arms trade, scepticism of empire and of all its singing and dancing Christian enablers and allow everyone a mistake or two.
    Hitler and Mussolini were also mentioned in a flattering way. Oscar Wilde's line about misfortune and carelessness comes to mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy M5 View Post
    He was and is a world figure.
    He won an Oscar and Nobel prize.
    Labour and FG named a warship for him.

    Did he ever renounce his views about the dictators?
    Not on the evidence of tonight. The last bits of footage viewed the inside of his house where a prominent picture of Stalin stood on the mantlepiece
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dearghoul View Post
    A lot of people got it wrong regarding Stalin. Their moments of awakening came late for some that you'd find surprising.

    Against that you'd have to put his filleting of the arms trade, scepticism of empire and of all its singing and dancing Christian enablers and allow everyone a mistake or two.
    A lot got it right too though. American writer Thomas Wolfe's reaction to incipient Nazism while living in 30's Germany comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagmore View Post
    Just watching Gabriel Byrne documentary on George Bernard Shaw on RTE. Typical guff. Usual suspects show up to champion the cause of one of their own.Diarmuid Ferriter, Fintan O Toole, Michael D and Daire O Brien etc.Shaw incredible ability to see the big picture. Told it how it was etc etc. Very litte about the link below till about five minutes left when Fintan tells us that his support for Hitler and Mussolini shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him or to take away from all he contributed. Typical lefties----what's a few million slaughtered and oppressed so long as you're a card carrying Socialist.Gas, a clip shows Shaw's picture with a framed picture of Stalin on the mantlepiece. Don't remember the luvvies giving the same wide berth to Francis Stuart for his perceived Nazi sympathies during WW2. Byrne tells us his abiding sense when he thinks of Shaw the man is one of compassion, humanity and courage. I suspect the slaughtered millions would beg to differ.
    How Shaw defended Stalin's mass killings - Telegraph
    I think one of the thing that happens is people malogeon history and bend it to our biased view of it. History was what Shaw et al were living, it wasn't our heavily propagandised version of reality, 'the winner writes the history' etc that we have to sign up to today.

    History is not just something nice to read about, it is heavily politicised and you dare not stray too far from the script or you will pay a big price.
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