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    The Field Marshal The Field Marshal is offline
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    Does anybody now actually read anything written by this confused Protestant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellow View Post
    Isn't that what's always done now e.g. the Confederate generals and their statues?
    Yes. And I don't see anyone defending his stances on some positions. Try and find those books in shops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    Does anybody now actually read anything written by this confused Protestant?
    Doc was an obvious attempt to generate some eyefall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardillaun View Post
    Artists are nutters. Anyone who takes their thoughts on politics seriously shouldn’t be let out of the house.
    Mao wrote poetry, oh wait a minute!
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    Kilbarry1 Kilbarry1 is offline

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    Gabriel Byrne on (1) George Bernard Shaw and (2) the Christian Brothers

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    Just watching Gabriel Byrne documentary on George Bernard Shaw on RTE. Typical guff. Usual suspects show up to champion the cause of one of their own.Diarmuid Ferriter, Fintan O Toole, Michael D and Daire O Brien etc.Shaw incredible ability to see the big picture. Told it how it was etc etc. Very litte about the link below till about five minutes left when Fintan tells us that his support for Hitler and Mussolini shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him or to take away from all he contributed. Typical lefties----what's a few million slaughtered and oppressed so long as you're a card carrying Socialist.Gas, a clip shows Shaw's picture with a framed picture of Stalin on the mantlepiece. Don't remember the luvvies giving the same wide berth to Francis Stuart for his perceived Nazi sympathies during WW2.

    Byrne tells us his abiding sense when he thinks of Shaw the man is one of compassion, humanity and courage. I suspect the slaughtered millions would beg to differ.
    How Shaw defended Stalin's mass killings - Telegraph
    George Bernard Shaw differed from other Stalinists like Sean O'Casey, in that he had kind words to say about Hitler and Mussolini as well. Shaw was a supporter of Dictatorship AS SUCH - not just the left-wing variety. Still there is a certain logic and honesty about this approach that Gabriel Byrne himself lacks.

    This is Gabriel Byrne in an interview with Stephen O'Brien of the Irish Independent on 9 August 1999
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-26140634.html

    ACTOR Gabriel Byrne has revealed publicly for the first time that he was the victim of both physical and sexual abuse at the hands of Catholic clergy. The star of The Usual Suspects and Defence of the Realm said he was subjected to repeated physical and verbal abuse while a pupil at the Christian Brothers national school in Dublin's Drimnagh. [My emphasis]

    And he told a Sunday newspaper he was sexually abused by a priest who was his Latin teacher in England after he had entered a junior novitiate (in preparation for the priesthood) at the age of just eleven. That man is now dead. ....


    And this is him telling a SOMEWHAT similar story to Gay Byrne on RTE television a decade later - as reported by the Irish correspondent of The Guardian on 19 January 2010. There is however a rather important difference.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hild-sex-abuse

    Gabriel Byrne tells of childhood sexual abuse
    Actor says he was abused by Christian Brothers in Ireland, and while training in England to be a priest


    The Irish actor Gabriel Byrne has revealed that he was sexually abused by Christian Brothers as a child. [My emphasis] The actor also disclosed that at the age of 11 he went to England to train as a priest but was sexually abused by a member of the clergy there.

    Byrne said he had struggled with alcoholism and depression in the past, and that he had been "deeply hurt" over the abuse he endured as a boy. The star of films such Miller's Crossing and The Usual Suspects spoke openly about the abuse to Ireland's most famous broadcaster, Gay Byrne, on a new show, The Meaning of Life, on RTÉ television.

    "Unfortunately, I experienced some sexual abuse," he said. "It was a known and admitted fact of life amongst us that there was this particular man, and you didn't want to be left in the dressing room with him." "It took many years to come to terms with it and to forgive those incidents that I felt had deeply hurt me."

    Another priest sexually abused him when he was 11 at the English seminary. "It didn't go on over a prolonged period but it happened at a very, very vulnerable moment," Byrne recalled. .....


    When he spoke on The Meaning of Life, was Gabriel Byrne suffering from Recovered Memory in relation to the nature of his "abuse" by the Christian Brothers? Alternatively did he just assume that Gaybo would not bother to do any research and certainly would not ask him any awkward questions?
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    Kilbarry1 Kilbarry1 is offline

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    Actor Gabriel Byrne and the phenomenon of "Recovered Memory"

    When he spoke on The Meaning of Life, was Gabriel Byrne suffering from Recovered Memory in relation to the nature of his "abuse" by the Christian Brothers? Alternatively did he just assume that Gaybo would not bother to do any research and certainly would not ask him any awkward questions?
    And this is another Gabriel-Byrne-type episode involving Recovered Memory and two VERY different accounts by the same person, a decade apart. The more recent episode involved Michael O'Brien, ex-Mayor of Clonmel and head of Victim's Group 'Right To Peace' confronting Fianna Fail Minister Noel Dempsey on RTE, 25 May 2009 - in a video that went viral.

    'Recovered Memory' in Ireland - and Allegations of Child Abuse
    https://irishsalem.blogspot.ie/2018/...ations-of.html

    But Michael O'Brien had told a different story about Rosminian priests in 1999 - oddly enough the same year that Gabriel Byrne told HIS original story about the Christian Brothers!
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    "he was sexually abused by a priest who was his Latin teacher IN ENGLAND after he had entered a junior novitiate"
    Am I misreading? Both versions say the abuse was in England.
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    Kilbarry1 Kilbarry1 is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddycomeback View Post
    "he was sexually abused by a priest who was his Latin teacher IN ENGLAND after he had entered a junior novitiate"
    Am I misreading? Both versions say the abuse was in England.
    Both accounts say he was "sexually" abused in England by a priest. In his second account he claims to have been sexually abused by the Christian Brothers in Ireland as well. His first account only mentions "verbal and physical" abuse by the Christian Brothers.

    Incidentally Gabriel Byrne is very comfortable praising a man who supported Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. HOWEVER if Shaw had been an admirer of Franco, Byrne would have loathed him. Franco was a Catholic and a pro-Western dictator and the fact that he killed a lot fewer people was irrelevant to hate-filled types like Shaw and Byrne. Shaw only favoured dictators who shared his own hatreds - and Gabriel Byrne appreciates that.
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    Kilbarry1 Kilbarry1 is offline

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    Once Again "Recovered Memory"

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse3 View Post
    You're nobody in the Arts world if you weren't sexually abused by a Priest
    True the film "Song for a Raggy Boy" released in 2003 is based on the "Autobiography" of Patrick Galvin ("Irish poet, singer, playwright, and prose and screen writer" as per Wikipedia) written a decade earlier in 1991. The culminating scene in the FILM features a boy being kicked to death by a "Brother in Christ". There is no such scene in the BOOK but Patrick Galvin is credited as the screen-writer for the film!

    Like Gabriel Byrne, perhaps it took him a decade to "recover his memory"?
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    LISTOWEL MAN LISTOWEL MAN is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilbarry1 View Post
    Byrne said he had been "deeply hurt" over the abuse he endured
    Production on 1995 classic The Usual Suspects was halted due to Kevin Spacey's behaviour, according to Gabriel Byrne.

    "He was kind of a joke in that people would say, ‘That’s Kevin,’. It was only years later that we began to understand that [filming] was closed down for a particular reason and that was because of inappropriate sexual behaviour by Spacey,” Byrne said.

    Production was shut down on the movie for two days after the incident.
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