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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy M5 View Post
    He was and is a world figure.
    He won an Oscar and Nobel prize.
    Labour and FG named a warship for him.

    Did he ever renounce his views about the dictators?
    Shaw was a busy advocate for Eugenics.

    Were the contributors to the programme aware of Shaws views?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagmore View Post
    Not on the evidence of tonight. The last bits of footage viewed the inside of his house where a prominent picture of Stalin stood on the mantlepiece
    It was a diverse and somewhat jarring collection of photos to say the least (Mahatma Gandhi and Einstein alongside Stalin). Probably a bit like his views. People are complex (not the usual silly black-or-white caricatures). Still, a prominent person like him who stood up for Roger Casement in the UK at the time can't be all bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    There is no such thing as a writer just as there is no such thing as an object (just a collection of atoms), Think of it this way, Roy Keane, Gay Byrne, Michael Collins and Hitler wrote books. For writing to become literature it must be fiction, (made up). Commie, leftie green libloonins is a fictional view of the world which was tried several times and failed. It is a fictional utopia which can only be made work by torture.
    How do we tell the dancer from the dance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    You’re saying the most prominent sexual predators of 1950’s Ireland were writers?
    ????No just trying to expose the hypocricy of leftie luvvies when it comes to leftie writers.The same pass isn't given to writers like PKavanagh who were a threat to that status quo.Pigs like Weinstein and Polanski thrive under that cover.The performance of Michael Twee, O Toole, Ferriter etc confirmed that last night.Came across as an extended ego trip for Byrne et all.It's like Karloff posted-nobody said why he was a great writer.Just that he was.Shaw came across as a stupid person's idea of what a great writer is
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    Gabriel knew spacey was abusive but he stayed silent

    Gabriel Byrne of all people ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LISTOWEL MAN View Post
    Gabriel knew spacey was abusive but he stayed silent

    Gabriel Byrne of all people ..
    He's no angel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    Shaw was a busy advocate for Eugenics.

    Were the contributors to the programme aware of Shaws views?
    Yup-they pretty much gave hin a pass.Shouldn't be allowed to take away all he contributed etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    How do we tell the dancer from the dance?
    Fair point
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12 bens View Post
    I wouldn't have thought you were a fan of Joyce...or am I mistaken?

    Here are a few quotes from Joyce and a few from Joyce scholars.

    "They say (and history fully supports them in making such a claim) that any concession by England to Ireland has been granted unwillingly, at bayonet-point, as the saying goes" (from 'Fenianism: The Last Fenian' a lecture by Joyce in Trieste in 1907.)

    "They (Sinn Fein) aim to make Ireland a bi-lingual Republic, and to this end they have established a direct steamship service between Ireland and France. They practice boycotts against English goods: they refuse to become soldiers or take the oath of loyalty to the English crown; the are trying to develop industries throughout the entire island; and instead of paying out a million and a quarter annually for the maintenance of eighty representatives in the English Parliament, they want to inaugurate a consular service in the principal ports of the world for the purpose of selling their industrial products without the intervention of England".('Fenianism: The Last Fenian', from Il Piccolo della Sera Trieste, 22 March 1907.)

    Politically Joyce was a Fenian and something of the Fenian outlook on life remained with him into his later years-... (1992, Peter Costello, The Years of Growth, p 136.)

    One does not read Joyce today, let alone write about him, without remembering the fifteen-year-long struggle for freedom of the people of Northern Ireland; the following, then for whatever it is worth, must necessarily be dedicated to them. (1982, Frederic Jameson, 'Ulysses in History' from James Joyce and Modern Literature ed. W.J. McCormac and Alistair Stead, p 126.)
    Why wouldn't I be a fan of Joyce? His intellect and comic flair were undoubtedly scintillating. He failed in one of his great quests however, namely, "to forge in the smithy of my soul, the uncreated conscience of my race." We're still waiting for that alas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    Shaw was a busy advocate for Eugenics.

    Were the contributors to the programme aware of Shaws views?
    Eugenics were what passed for science in the day, that's easy to forget in the 'enlightened' rush to condemn.

    It's rather like condemning middle-ages people for being so daft to believe in a flat Earth, we may as well condemn all mankind for not having our up-to-date scientific knowledge and believing in sky fairies or whatever.
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