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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatire View Post
    There are two great myths about the great famine:

    • it was caused by Phytophthora infestans
    • the deaths were caused by starvation


    Reality is different:

    • the primary cause of the famine was groupthink. The rural Irish believed it was sustainable to raise 12 kids on 1.5 acres by relying on a single crop. Of course, sooner or later, disaster was going to strike. Just like the 2007 property bubble, nobody could tell Mick he was doing something totally stupid.
    • The biggest single cause of death was not starvation, but "yellow fever". This is not today's tropical yellow fever but a completely different vector borne disease called Relapsing fever (borreliosis) carried by lice and ticks. It is closely related to lyme disease. It spread among weakened overcrowded populations, wiping out entire communities. People died in huge numbers, much faster than you can starve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatire View Post
    There are two great myths about the great famine:

    • it was caused by Phytophthora infestans
    • the deaths were caused by starvation


    Reality is different:

    • the primary cause of the famine was groupthink. The rural Irish believed it was sustainable to raise 12 kids on 1.5 acres by relying on a single crop. Of course, sooner or later, disaster was going to strike. Just like the 2007 property bubble, nobody could tell Mick he was doing something totally stupid.
    • The biggest single cause of death was not starvation, but "yellow fever". This is not today's tropical yellow fever but a completely different vector borne disease called Relapsing fever (borreliosis) carried by lice and ticks. It is closely related to lyme disease. It spread among weakened overcrowded populations, wiping out entire communities. People died in huge numbers, much faster than you can starve.
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    Maybe somebody had taken over their lands in the years before !
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Voice View Post
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    Disgust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcos the black View Post
    It was about 170 years ago.
    While I agree it's good to discuss it from a historical perspective I still see people using it for modern day biases. From a physiological point of view I think we as a country "need to get over it".
    I disagree. There may yet be important lessons to be learnt from the Great Famine. It warrants much more study, but intsead has been politicised by the usual suspects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinding View Post
    Maybe somebody had taken over their lands in the years before !
    Yeah, there was groupthink around London that kicking "Mick" off his land was a great idea. Maybe nobody pointed out how "stupid" that was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatire View Post
    I disagree. There may yet be important lessons to be learnt from the Great Famine. It warrants much more study, but intsead has been politicised by the usual suspects.
    Study yes, emotion and blame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Voice View Post
    Yeah, there was groupthink around London that kicking "Mick" off his land was a great idea. Maybe nobody pointed out how "stupid" that was.
    If you weren’t too worried about people dying or being kicked off their land it was a great idea .
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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    apparently people on twitter were shocked

    never!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinding View Post
    If you weren’t too worried about people dying or being kicked off their land it was a great idea .
    Anyway they were only Catholics.
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