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    Pity, at least the stuff they might be plagiarising is likely to be truthful.

    Having to fall back on their own stuff is not likely to increase the truth content
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    Pity, at least the stuff they might be plagiarising is likely to be truthful.

    Having to fall back on their own stuff is not likely to increase the truth content
    A very good point for the defence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    Published interviews are almost always protected by copyright, and quoting the comments made during the course of an interview without permission can only be done up to the limits of fair use.
    Having raised the matter through your OP perhaps you could offer an opinion on what constitutes "fair use" in the quote I have highlighted.
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    The Indo used to be very free and easy with the work of others. There is, of course, a different agenda here and that is to nail the Sherlocks. I had never heard of the site and have no interest in it until it trended on Twitter. That said, having scam draws for cars is low - but a practice that is widespread as Sinn Fein et al could attest, what with their POW Cumann Cabhrach draws back in the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skypeme View Post
    Having raised the matter through your OP perhaps you could offer an opinion on what constitutes "fair use" in the quote I have highlighted.
    Any short extract for the purpose of commenting on what was said. Simply reproducing bits of the interview without comment would not be covered.
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    Such an ironically named website...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceGoalie View Post
    The Indo used to be very free and easy with the work of others. There is, of course, a different agenda here and that is to nail the Sherlocks. I had never heard of the site and have no interest in it until it trended on Twitter. That said, having scam draws for cars is low - but a practice that is widespread as Sinn Fein et al could attest, what with their POW Cumann Cabhrach draws back in the day
    The Indo had the clout to be able to do that. Like it or not it is the biggest show in town, and if you're a stringer writing for another paper there's not much you can do if they lifted an article on you; not if you ever hope to work there, that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    Any short extract for the purpose of commenting on what was said. Simply reproducing bits of the interview without comment would not be covered.
    I consider there is a thin line between a "short extract" (from an interview?) and "reproducing bits" in order to support a story. Perhaps the problem here is one of attribution. ie, simply means telling your readers where the information in your story comes from, as well as who is being quoted. Journalists regularly use information from sources, paraphrased or quoted directly.

    I also consider that perhaps there is another reason for what appears to be a concerted effort to 'take down' TheLiberal.ie.

    IT report states: "TheLiberal.ie, a website run by Leo Sherlock, a right-wing commentator based in Louth.....Mr Sherlock, who has appeared on RTE discussing his political views and support of Donald Trump......".

    On both counts there are those who would see this as sufficient reason to pursue Sherlock by any means possible, including through the courts. The NUJ would obviously be in the front of the line to silence a right-wing independent non-MSM outlet.

    The IT report points in that direction when they quote "Séamus Dooley, Irish secretary of the National Union of Journalists, who urged people not to read the site and accused it of stealing work."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skypeme View Post
    I consider there is a thin line between a "short extract" (from an interview?) and "reproducing bits" in order to support a story. Perhaps the problem here is one of attribution. ie, simply means telling your readers where the information in your story comes from, as well as who is being quoted. Journalists regularly use information from sources, paraphrased or quoted directly.

    I also consider that perhaps there is another reason for what appears to be a concerted effort to 'take down' TheLiberal.ie.

    IT report states: "TheLiberal.ie, a website run by Leo Sherlock, a right-wing commentator based in Louth.....Mr Sherlock, who has appeared on RTE discussing his political views and support of Donald Trump......".

    On both counts there are those who would see this as sufficient reason to pursue Sherlock by any means possible, including through the courts. The NUJ would obviously be in the front of the line to silence a right-wing independent non-MSM outlet.

    The IT report points in that direction when they quote "Séamus Dooley, Irish secretary of the National Union of Journalists, who urged people not to read the site and accused it of stealing work."
    Conspiraloon stuff. If the allegations are true what other line could a union take? There are loads of right wing organs out there, independent and not so. They run themselves well and that is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    Such an ironically named website...
    The sense of irony is palpable as is the ecstasy at it's possible demise.
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