Syria :Western Media lies and the decline of truthful , unbiased Journalism.

[eskrimador]

A bit of Fisk..

"But Syria is also a symbol. In Arab eyes, it alone defied the West in refusing an unjust peace in the Middle East. Alone, it refused Anwar Sadat's peace with Israel. Alone, it turned its back on Yasser Arafat after his doomed agreement for "peace" with Israel. And historically, Syria alone defied its French occupiers in 1920 and then again in 1946 until its Damascus parliament was burned down over the heads of its defenders. And while many Lebanese choose to forget their own history, it remains a fact that after the First World War, most Lebanese wished their land to remain part of Syria – see the results of the King-Crane commission – rather than live in a separate nation under French patronage."

and..

"And far from being a state based on expansion, as America likes to claim, Syria has steadily lost territory. It lost Lebanon to French machinations. It lost Alexandretta in 1939 when the French handed it over to Turkey after a fraudulent referendum in the vain hope that the Turks would join the Allied alliance against Hitler. And it lost Golan to Israel in 1967. For Syria as a nation – rather than a regime – there is much sympathy as well as respect in the Arab world. Bashar al-Assad – neither a toady like Egypt's Hosni Mubarak nor mad like Libya's Gaddafi – knows all this."

(empahsis mine)

Robert Fisk: Syria is used to the slings and arrows of friends and enemies - Robert Fisk - Commentators - The Independent

[Riadach]

It's very easy to find out what the truth is on any Middle East issue.

Simply read what that mad cow Hilary Clinton has to say and you can't go wrong in the presumption that the opposite is true.

Thank you for confirming that for me, I was assuming it all along. It explains all the blatant hypocrisy in relation to the Arab Spring. It explains why the only uprisings that are representations of popular feeling, coincidentally, have been those that occured in Western backed countries. How convenient that is.

[Analyzer]

get real everyone, if russia and china back the syrian regime, it must be totally corrupt

And if the US or France backs the regime .......

The US backed Hosni Mubarak with billions, until he lost control.

France backed Tunisia's "first family" until the locals kicked them out.

In both cases, there were suspicions that they brought part of their country's gold reserves with them....

We are being presented with a Good versus Evil dicotmy, which is completely inaccurate.

Both the NATO-GCC and the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Organization) are backing unsavoury regimes.

The Western media, as exemplified by our very own Pravda, are not being honest about the full context of this.

[Hitch 22]

What's not in dispute is that there are people who want to overthrow Assad. What remains very unclear is whether this group seeking regime change constitute a majority of Syrians. We know the british, french, US etc want Assad gone. Until we know this view is shared by most Syrians, intervention is not acceptable.

Not acceptable to who?????

[The Herren]

A bit of Fisk..

"But Syria is also a symbol. In Arab eyes, it alone defied the West in refusing an unjust peace in the Middle East. Alone, it refused Anwar Sadat's peace with Israel. Alone, it turned its back on Yasser Arafat after his doomed agreement for "peace" with Israel. And historically, Syria alone defied its French occupiers in 1920 and then again in 1946 until its Damascus parliament was burned down over the heads of its defenders. And while many Lebanese choose to forget their own history, it remains a fact that after the First World War, most Lebanese wished their land to remain part of Syria – see the results of the King-Crane commission – rather than live in a separate nation under French patronage."

and..

"And far from being a state based on expansion, as America likes to claim, Syria has steadily lost territory. It lost Lebanon to French machinations. It lost Alexandretta in 1939 when the French handed it over to Turkey after a fraudulent referendum in the vain hope that the Turks would join the Allied alliance against Hitler. And it lost Golan to Israel in 1967. For Syria as a nation – rather than a regime – there is much sympathy as well as respect in the Arab world. Bashar al-Assad – neither a toady like Egypt's Hosni Mubarak nor mad like Libya's Gaddafi – knows all this."

(empahsis mine)

Robert Fisk: Syria is used to the slings and arrows of friends and enemies - Robert Fisk - Commentators - The Independent

So did his Daddy - another fine Statesman you would no doubt agree.

[patfitzbally]

And if the US or France backs the regime .......

The US backed Hosni Mubarak with billions, until he lost control.

France backed Tunisia's "first family" until the locals kicked them out.

In both cases, there were suspicions that they brought part of their country's gold reserves with them....

We are being presented with a Good versus Evil dicotmy, which is completely inaccurate.

Both the NATO-GCC and the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Organization) are backing unsavoury regimes.

The Western media, as exemplified by our very own Pravda, are not being honest about the full context of this.

[patfitzbally]

And if the US or France backs the regime .......

The US backed Hosni Mubarak with billions, until he lost control.

France backed Tunisia's "first family" until the locals kicked them out.

In both cases, there were suspicions that they brought part of their country's gold reserves with them....

We are being presented with a Good versus Evil dicotmy, which is completely inaccurate.

Both the NATO-GCC and the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Organization) are backing unsavoury regimes.

The Western media, as exemplified by our very own Pravda, are not being honest about the full context of this.

[toxic avenger]

You can always rely on the most paranoid sections of the left to fellow-travel with dictators who slaughter their own people by the thousand. Yes, it is possible that the numbers of dead claimed over the last couple of days are exaggerated (and it is possible that it is true or an under-estimate too) but there are still many dead, at least 50 to 60. And of course the media bullsh1t, exaggerate, or blindly parrot established narratives, but that doesn't mean that it is all false.

Assad, like his father, is a murdering scumbag. But because the Americans have spoken against him, he has to be defended by the relativist idiots who decide what is moral and what is not on the basis of opposition to someone else's view. As a socialist myself, I never cease to be totally unsurprised by the moral bankruptcy of others supposedly on the left too.

[patfitzbally]

And if the US or France backs the regime .......

The US backed Hosni Mubarak with billions, until he lost control.

France backed Tunisia's "first family" until the locals kicked them out.

In both cases, there were suspicions that they brought part of their country's gold reserves with them....

We are being presented with a Good versus Evil dicotmy, which is completely inaccurate.

Both the NATO-GCC and the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Organization) are backing unsavoury regimes.

The Western media, as exemplified by our very own Pravda, are not being honest about the full context of this.

slagging off usa and france does not answer my assertion that russia and china support corrupt regimes

[Cynicist]

This thread is inspired by the same mindset that thought 9/11 never happened, that apartheid was god-given, that there are UFOs landing daily and that there is a tooth fairy. I dont have to rely on "dodgy media" because I was there and have Syrian friends all of whom are against the Assad regime because of the terrible suffering they have experienced for decades. Wise up!!