Ruairí Quinn attacks social media

[Dandahan4]

Not concerning at all. What is concerning is that its taken Quinn this long to figure it out. That in itself reflects on the calibre of Minister holding office in Irish government today. This is what should have you worried or concerned...!

Alert (rather than worried) to the potential and actual damage these clowns are actively engaged in.

Fear is what the traditional media feel but never express.

Mr P Rabbitte is nibbling away at legislation to set standards for journalists ... that should be one for politics humour section.

One wants regulation and the other extreme right winger will instruct journalists on standards and objectivity.

This is la la land for these clowns.

Interestingly , there is not a twitch from the tame traditional media.

The traditional media are attacking the internet warriors and commentators, journalists and writers( Matt Cooper,Michael Clifford and the rest).

The sketch in the Sunday Times is school yard antics and may easily be a mirror reflection of desperate hacks bowed to the establishment yoke.

There is no Fourth Estate in Irish media and never was.

That is why political corruption, cronyism and nepotism are running wild and free.

Follow the money trail to nepocron (nepotism and cronyism) to uncover the truth.

[Expatriot]

When people starting printing leaflets that were critical of the powers that be when the printing press arrived some were literally burned at the stake. The introduction of a new form of communication in political circles can be a rocky road. I think the internet if more like the Salons (Salon (gathering) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) in Paris before the French Revolution.

"The French Revolution might have happened far later than it actually did were it not for the French salons. As early as the 1600's, middle and lower-ranking members of the nobility were holding intellectual gatherings far away from the stifling protocols of the central court. As the central court began promoting its own very exclusive salons, alternative salons became hosted by members of the rising bourgeoisie. What was originally the sole privilege of aristocrats became appropriated by all classes, including the lower classes who held their conversations in cafés." http://www.bdavetian.com/salonhistory.html

It seems to me that the internet opens the whole discussion out to an even bigger group of people. The interested middle are no longer merely observers but feel they can contribute to politics directly. That was the idea of republican structured political parties but in reality it is impossible make your opinions or thoughts heard, you are in a fan club really.

In the longer term the net may even threaten the need for elected representatives to make decisions on our behalf when we could vote digitally on almost anything very quickly. The idea we need someone to goto a room in Dublin or Brussels to represent us is a bit 18th Century to be frank. It is a massive threat to the status quo. That is not to say it should not be regulated and managed, but it must be done so by the right people for the right reasons. The salons did not end up running France and chatrooms wont either, but they are an interesting canary in the mine.

[LamportsEdge]

Quinn has done nothing here but confirmed his own internet illiteracy. He says that online commentators should be 'regulated'? By whom? Irish regulators can regulate only channels originating in Ireland. If Quinn and the rest of whimpering mess of self-appointed whingers for a dignity that does not exist for the political class want to regulate 'the internet' they are going to have to wrap their heads around the fact that the internet is not based in Ireland.

Close down forums in the Irish jurisdiction for laughing at Irish politcian's obvious wigs and what have you then he will find forums set up in overseas jurisdictions and two fingers in the air all 'round.

[jpc]

The old tyrants in the Dail are showing their true colours with this. Gadaffi, Mubarak, the Syrian regime, the Iranian mullahs etc., Quinn is placing himself in a nice group here alright.

These ould fellas think that the Internet is a fad that will be gone in a few years time. They haven't a f*&%ing clue about anything except their pension entitlements and expenses allowances, in those subjects they are experts.

It's the opposite I feel.
They know it's not a fad.
And they know it will blow the cosy arrangements in place since the inception of the state away.
A question that has never been addressed in main stream media on a consistent fashion is,why are the enormous and unfunded pensions allowed to continue?
Sites like this are in their own individual ways the equivalent of the Gutenberg printing press.
The printing of pamphlets with dissenting or contrary views to the Catholic view contributed to the Reformation in an enormous way.
Information is power and control of it, more powerful again.
This frankly insulting pap abut protecting peoples names and reputations applies exclusively to the upper tiers of society.
We are not in the particular frame of reference.

[Dandahan4]

No, Just BLOODY ARROGANCE that comes with a majority and will no doubt go the way of the F.F. warriors coming up to the next election, when he and his fellow travellers decide not to run again. They will ride off into the sunset with their fab pensions and payoffs, but will not hold themselves up to account for their roles in this government! I can smell it.

If they survive to claim a pension ... there is no guarantee of five years.

There is an exodus of thousands and all those retired politicians ,Bertie, Brian, Noel, Marys all on an endless stream of bloated pensions.

As these retirees have lived in and retired from a sheltered environment... none have seen the reality check/ train hurtling down the tracks.

Where is the source of this river of constant supply of funding for these pensions into the future.

These sheltered clowns did not think to provide for even their own retirement.

There is no funding, none, zilch FFS.

The bets are on that there is a beechers fence ahead and / or an allmighty train wreck for these retirees.

[jpc]

If they survive to claim a pension ... there is no guarantee of five years.

There is an exodus of thousands and all those retired politicians ,bertie, brian, noel , Marys all, endless stream of bloated pensions.

As these retirees have lived in and retired from a sheltered environment... none have seen the reality check/ train hurtling down the tracks.

Where is the source of this river of constant supply of funding for these pensions into the future.

The bets are on that there is a beechers fence ahead and an allmighty train wreck for these retirees.

Here's hoping you are correct.
The sense of entitlement runs deep through the system though!.

[jpc]

Quinn has done nothing here but confirmed his own internet illiteracy. He says that online commentators should be 'regulated'? By whom? Irish regulators can regulate only channels originating in Ireland. If Quinn and the rest of whimpering mess of self-appointed whingers for a dignity that does not exist for the political class want to regulate 'the internet' they are going to have to wrap their heads around the fact that the internet is not based in Ireland.

Close down forums in the Irish jurisdiction for laughing at Irish politcian's obvious wigs and what have you then he will find forums set up in overseas jurisdictions and two fingers in the air all 'round.

Can we see pictures of the rugs as well?

[jpc]

For me several things sum up the present Labour Party.

Frank Ross pushing an agenda of getting Kevin Cardiff onto the EU Court of Auditors, and then behaving like an ignoramus when Nessa Childers had a principled objection.

The nepotism and cronyism for long term chums, at the taxpayer's expense.

The silence over the bondholders debacle.

No sh!t Sherlock trying to shove in internet restrictions, and Quinn having a problem with internet discussions being free speech.

Burton telling the unemployed that they are part of a lifestyle choice.

Rabbitte trying to tax the internet, so as to pay for the Montrose Millionaire set who people are increasingly ignoring, under a threat of a jail sentence. (No sentence for Fingers Fingleton or any of the directors of the Financial Regulator or the Central Bank of Ireland during their reckless period).


Currently, the LP have decided to be the party who are fighting the internet, and defending the bondholders.

I mentioned it in an earlier post.
And this one put it together beautifully.
They are apparatchiks for the system not the people.

[Franzoni]

This is insane.
Has he nothing to say of the dodgy dealings of the print media in recent times?
Why do Labour have a death wish?

I was thinking exactly the same....... between these dopes and the other gang of spoofers in FG they are as deluded as the other gang of muppets who sit across the room from them......

[Victor Meldrew]

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Fintan retorts that we should set our own rules. We do here. so does Facebook / linked in / boards.ie and others.

He is right that anonymity can be readily abused. There is something unique about social networking in Ireland in that everyone knows everyone as it were. so unless you are a troll, once you participate openly, we kinda can know who you are...

Vast online community should run internet - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 07, 2012