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    Ifor Bach Ifor Bach is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by picador View Post
    Hysterical nonsense.
    And you are something of a specialist in hysteria yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Bumble View Post
    RIP. Always found him a bit creepy.

    You may have been a good judge and seeing the post above saying he lived with his mother and kept all her clothes after she died and even sent them for regular dry cleaning, creepy would be right. Both those posts were posted at the time of his death, not after the news about allegations being made re sexual abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cai View Post
    When you indicate that the BBC should not have followed through on their legal obligation to protect children in their care ....
    Yet another strawman argument.

    Have you an inexhaustible supply of straw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan2010 View Post
    ...Hate to break it to you , the vast majority of cases are family.
    thats true, but the vast majority of kiddy-fiddlers do not live with their mums, wear a dirty mack, go train-spotting or sweat like a pig when around children.

    this 'learn who to trust' stuff is just bollocks - the hallmark of the successful abuser is that he appears trustworthy - thats how he gets kids to be with him in the first place.

    if you believe that by, as a parent, getting involved and therefore being able to spot the nonce, you are committing a massive mistake. you are extraordinarily unlikely to spot the nonce, and by telling your kids that they are safe, because you're there, and you can pick out the wrong'un, you make them far more vunerable than if they would be if you just told them what they need to avoid doing, and what they need to talk to you about.

    like RoC, i'm involved with a kids organisation - my daughter is in the Brownies, and very occasionally i help if they are doing something 'outdoory'. we have strict, logical, open CP policies, and have been inculcated with the mantra of 'don't even trust your own hands' when dealing with kids. the idea of 'sure, he's all right, known him for years' is so far safe that its almost funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidney higginbottom View Post
    thats true, but the vast majority of kiddy-fiddlers do not live with their mums, wear a dirty mack, go train-spotting or sweat like a pig when around children.

    this 'learn who to trust' stuff is just bollocks - the hallmark of the successful abuser is that he appears trustworthy - thats how he gets kids to be with him in the first place.

    if you believe that by, as a parent, getting involved and therefore being able to spot the nonce, you are committing a massive mistake. you are extraordinarily unlikely to spot the nonce, and by telling your kids that they are safe, because you're there, and you can pick out the wrong'un, you make them far more vunerable than if they would be if you just told them what they need to avoid doing, and what they need to talk to you about.

    like RoC, i'm involved with a kids organisation - my daughter is in the Brownies, and very occasionally i help if they are doing something 'outdoory'. we have strict, logical, open CP policies, and have been inculcated with the mantra of 'don't even trust your own hands' when dealing with kids. the idea of 'sure, he's all right, known him for years' is so far safe that its almost funny.

    I dont see how an abuser could operate in a well run club, I'll only speak for the activites my kids are involved in and there simply wouldnt be the opportunity. they are defined training times in full view of the parents and if there are competitions the parents bring the kids.

    De Bruin made the following comment in relation to the Irish Swimming child abuse scandal , but there were clearily unusual patterns of behaviour that should have been spotted with a bit of common sense.
    “Why did no one question if he should be allowed to take young girls on their own into the gym in the dark to hypnotize them, or to the pool for special attention? Why did no one question when he made lewd comments about the young girls?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidney higginbottom View Post
    thats true, but the vast majority of kiddy-fiddlers do not live with their mums, wear a dirty mack, go train-spotting or sweat like a pig when around children.

    this 'learn who to trust' stuff is just bollocks - the hallmark of the successful abuser is that he appears trustworthy - thats how he gets kids to be with him in the first place.

    if you believe that by, as a parent, getting involved and therefore being able to spot the nonce, you are committing a massive mistake. you are extraordinarily unlikely to spot the nonce, and by telling your kids that they are safe, because you're there, and you can pick out the wrong'un, you make them far more vunerable than if they would be if you just told them what they need to avoid doing, and what they need to talk to you about.

    like RoC, i'm involved with a kids organisation - my daughter is in the Brownies, and very occasionally i help if they are doing something 'outdoory'. we have strict, logical, open CP policies, and have been inculcated with the mantra of 'don't even trust your own hands' when dealing with kids. the idea of 'sure, he's all right, known him for years' is so far safe that its almost funny.
    You couldn't hope to identify a paedophile; all you can do is ensure that all interactions which your child will have will be in a strictly supervised setting.
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    Can we stop using the term kiddy fiddler it sounds harmless and like something out of the Grimm fairytales they are rapists and abusers of children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidney higginbottom View Post

    this 'learn who to trust' stuff is just bollocks - the hallmark of the successful abuser is that he appears trustworthy - thats how he gets kids to be with him in the first place.
    Quite so, the now infamous example of Penn State Assistant Football Coach Jerry Sandusky being a terrifying reminder: an upstanding individual who worked with children's charities and housed needy kids in his home; now he's facing life imprisonment for raping some of those same youngsters - and he was caught late, imagine how many young lives he ruined over this 40 odd year career of perversion.

    When children are involved, there's no other choice but to take the view that every outsider is a potential abuser. It's a terrible thing to say, but there are so many twisted deviants out there that one can never be too careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifor Bach View Post
    And you are something of a specialist in hysteria yourself.
    Still running interference on behalf of a deceased child-rapist I see. Gotta be worth a Jim'll Fix It badge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by picador View Post
    Still running interference on behalf of a deceased child-rapist I see. Gotta be worth a Jim'll Fix It badge.
    If and when I see the actual programme I'll judge for myself whether or not he was a 'child-rapist'.

    Until then, I'm not going to allow myself to be influenced by a menopausal Belfast fish-wife screaming 'PAEDO' at the top of her voice.
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