Large numbers of homosexual priests in the RCC promote chastity and condemn homosexual sex in public while they practice sodomy in private. People who can live with that kind of contradiction are total hypocrites. They are not capable of discerning right from wrong, and are quite likely to condone the rape of children because they have already abandoned morality.
Let's get this straight: Is it hypocrisy or homosexuality that's destroying your church?
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Contradict me if I'm wrong, but there does not appear to be any great evidence of sexual abuse by priests in Spain, Portugal, Italy or France? Can anyone comment on this? A Spanish friend of mine reckons there is less abuse in Spain generally because historically there was a freer attitude to adult sexuality than was the case in the Ireland of old.
On the suggestion that sex with a teenager is not paedophilia, well it's a matter of definition. I would define a paedophile as any adult engaged in sexual activity with, or attracted to, those under the age of consent, so that would include anyone molesting younger teenagers.
Admittedly, that is not a perfect definition. No doubt, I will be asked what about the 17-year-old boy having sex with his 16-year-old girlfriend, that's why I say "any adult".
It is a grey area, but certainly a 40-year-old man having sexual relations with a boy of 16 should surely be considered paedophile.
The well known thirty five old Chelsea footballer and England international Terry Twoface walks into a London Pub and orders a drink at the bar. Ten seconds later a seventeen year old blonde bombshell sidles up, shoves her tits in his face, puts her hand down the front of his trousers and mutters "shall we go somewhere private?". Thirty seconds later they are in the ladies and it's wham bam thank you ma'am.
Two months later the well known thirty five old Chelsea footballer and England international Terry Twoface walks into a Los Angeles Pub and orders a drink at the bar. Ten seconds later a seventeen year old blonde bombshell sidles up, shoves her tits in his face, puts her hand down the front of his trousers and mutters "shall we go somewhere private?". Thirty seconds later they are in the ladies and it's wham bam thank you ma'am. However this story does not have quite such a happy ending as the girl's mother, an LA cop, finds the pair in the ladies. The age of consent in California is 18 and Terry is way outside the near age exception. The age of consent in the UK is 16.
Is Terry a paedophile?
Well in the US he is.
c) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.
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Pedophilia is a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children, that is young children whose sexual organs are not mature. It's a crime and justifiably so. It's also considered a mental disorder because, quite apart from the horrendous psychological damage it inflicts on young children, it is not possible to procreate with children hence sexual attraction to children is a physical abnormality.
Teenagers however are a different matter. Post-pubescent children have fully functional sexual organs and are capable of procreation. It is normal for humans to be sexually attracted to teenagers who have passed puberty. This attraction is part of the natural sex drive and is NOT a medical condition or psychological disorder. However, and this is rather important; since the late Victorian period society has accepted that while teenage bodies might be sexually mature, teenage minds are immature. Teenagers are not capable of close, understanding, committed, relationships that are essential to fostering a family. Teenagers may be bullied into sexual relationships through peer pressure, fear of powerful authority figures, lack of life experience and low self esteem. Hence the age of consent was set at 12 in the late 1890s and progressively moved up to 17 in the 1930s in order to protect teenagers from unwanted sexual advances.
Adults who have sex with teenagers do not have an abnormal psychological disorder. They are opportunists who use their position of power to seduce emotionally vulnerable children.
The Jesuit priests involved in this scandal are opportunist sexual predators. They are also gay men as is shown by their preference for boys. It's quite likely that they have adult homosexual partners.
The biggest group of sexual offenders in the educational system are heterosexual men, many of whom are married and some have kids of their own. They mainly prey on vulnerable teenage girls. It is extremely unusual for a heterosexual predator to abuse boys, or for a homosexual predator to abuse girls. Since the vast majority of child victims in the clerical abuse scandals are boys we can assume that the vast majority of clerical sexual predators are gay.
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Originally Posted by biffo50
The strict original medical definition of pedophilia is an "attraction to prepubescent children". This would generally mean children under the age of 12 or at most 13.
Therefore it can be argued that a man (priest or otherwise) who engages in sex with boys or girls aged 14 to 16 who are still under the age of consent is not a paedophile. This does not detract from the fact that he is a criminal.
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Spiegel follow up on this story here >> http://www.spiegel.de/international/...676497,00.html
Thanks dot.
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Perhaps abuses mentioned in the German papers may have an international dimension as regards to abuse. I thought it was just 'Irish Dimension or something in our genes'. It could broaden into a wider context.
Re Rant and rave, nothing to do with Homosexuality, it's mainly the Irish culture and the 'hormones'. I saw a previous post regards the Spanish ones, it was interesting to see it from another perspective as regards to culture.
ok Agressy, l like Spiegel. Always living in hope of lrish media maturation and ability to discuss what was emerging *here* over 20 years ago. This and similar stories don't go away because elements of our media self-censor and underestimate reaction : Shame and Fear: Inside Germany's Catholic Sexual Abuse Scandal - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
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