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    Journalists or PR agents?

    Is there any genuine investigatory journalists working in this country. We are all aware of the Paul Williams / Jim Cusack etc. type of journalist who have all these unnamed sources and have these so called exclusives but is there any journalist there who can really break open a story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    Is there any genuine investigatory journalists working in this country. We are all aware of the Paul Williams / Jim Cusack etc. type of journalist who have all these unnamed sources and have these so called exclusives but is there any journalist there who can really break open a story.
    Very good point.

    I think the much maligned "blogosphere" is more lilely to break a story.
    Drudge broke the Lewinsky story ( and that is ten years ago).

    The Prince Harry in Afghanistan was broken on an Australian site.

    Print journalism-I'm sorry to say-is dying.

    Look at the USA.

    It cannot compete with the digital media and more than the horse could compete with the steam engine

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    Is there any genuine investigatory journalists working in this country. We are all aware of the Paul Williams / Jim Cusack etc. type of journalist who have all these unnamed sources and have these so called exclusives but is there any journalist there who can really break open a story.
    Certainly none in the tv media anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonpartyboy View Post
    Certainly none in the tv media anyway.
    The terrible thing about these so called journalist is when you here what I may have thought of as intelligent people quoting these so called journalist and agreeing with them. The majority in this country believe what they read.

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    Well Frank Connolly gave it a try but the state came down on him like a ton of *************************s.
    Investigative means you might uncover something and as the same old criminals we vote for have their greasy fingers in every dirty pie in the country they don't want stuff uncovered.

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    The internet is the last frontier of actual journalism. Expect more efforts to regulate it.

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    Abit unfair on some journalists....

    The media are under big pressure to return a profit and cann't put resources into investigative journalism. Recently we had the serious news story of John O'Donoghue and his expenses. A news paper cannot take a journalists hunch and then allow him go missing for 2 months without a return. In some cases journalists have to use their own funding to source a story and then hope the media outlet will carry it. You know that needs to be applauded.

    You also have libel laws within Ireland which does not support the investigation at the outset and within the political system in Ireland you have a boys clubs where parties will support each other on wrong doing - "A tooth for a tooth - a favour here and I'll owe you one"

    But - we have had our fair share of investigative journalism and I am sure we'll have more to come..

    In relation to RTE - Agree - Forget about. They are even too scared to report and ask questions on actual stories now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    Is there any genuine investigatory journalists working in this country. We are all aware of the Paul Williams / Jim Cusack etc. type of journalist who have all these unnamed sources and have these so called exclusives but is there any journalist there who can really break open a story.
    Your 2 examples are laughable. Both are pro Establishment, and get most of their deliberately misleading info from the State.
    It took British journalists to investigate British involvement in Dublin Monaghan for example. And the documentary they made was banned, not by Britain but by the Dublin Govt.
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    Basically investigative journalism is expensive and if any newspaper has a reporter who does investigative work it might be a long time between his articles.
    Media are now run much more as businesses then previously this means cutting costs where possible and that mostly means wage bills, therefore less reporters in general.
    Also as most media outlets such as the indo or RTE there are people they don't want to offend ( the owners or their partners in other business areas or the gov.) and these are usually the people any decent journalist would be investigating.
    It is particularly obvious in the states as the vast majority of media outlets are owned by a tiny number of plutocrats or multinational corporations. they don't want stories that rock the boat, just fluff.
    Someone like Greg Palast who is a fantastic world-class journalist has to get money form charitable donations, the BBC etc to continue his work.
    The powers that be want all out information tightly controlled which is why they are working towards destroying internet freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iarmhi Gael View Post
    In relation to RTE - Agree - Forget about. They are even too scared to report and ask questions on actual stories now.
    Surely nobody will ever forget the secondhand clothes collection expose, surely one of the most ground breaking stories ever ran by rte and their interpid reporter pbh of the nigerian "birth" fame.
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