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maybe the UKIP should campaign for a YES vote, and some idiot YES voters would then vote NO as a protest!
We have got as much as we are going to get out of Europe; it is, now, time to leave!
EUROPA CONVENTUS DELENDA EST!...Whistle out the marching tune
No need ... aren't FF advocating a Yes Vote?Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq
The problem with Europe is what Isiaiah Berline called "bent twigs". You find them on both sides of the EU debate and i have no sympathy for them even when they are on my side. The 'bent twig' is someone who harbours deep resentment that they have been held back or denied their place in the sun by some other country, and who can think of nothing else but lashing back at the perceived source of this resentment. 'Bent twigs' in the Ireland might harbour resentment against the UK. Bent twigs in the UK might harbour a grudge against France, or Germany, and oppose the EU for this reason. There are 'bent twigs' in France or Belgium who harbour resentment against the USA or in Poland who resent Russia who support the EU as a collective lash with which to whip the source of their resentments. You are one of these bent twigs here trying to whip up anti-British feeling to get the Irish to cut of their own noses (or at least their hard won sovereignty) to spite someone else. Nothing of value can be learnt by such 'bent twigs' on either side of the EU debate.
You have to filter out everything that these "bent twigs" say no matter what side of the debate they are because it all ends up in the logic of "my enemy's enemy is my friend" and "an eye for eye" that will make the whole world go blind. You need to strip out all that negative resentment and look at the EU for what it is; a deliberately undemocratic system designed to insulate the common market from 'populist' pressures which is engaged in a relentless campaign of self-aggrandisement that would lead to all politially contested policy decisions being put beyond the reach of the ballot box such as to subvert the very concept of liberal democracy itself.
Noun 1. yes-man - a person of unquestioning obedience; person who accepts the leadership of another; someone who is easily taken advantage of
Hi,
bent twigs, broken branches, fallen trees it matters little as the wind of change blows through the fields of Ireland surrendering it as a vassal to direct rule by rubber stamp making Limerick House the seat of the museum to Irish Democracy housed by yes men scurrying around looking for the ink pad to stamp another central diktat to keep their bums in KerryGold and their snouts in the EU's trough for those willing to betray the peoples.
There is absolutely NO downside risk in self Governance, self determination and self rule in an independent sovereign nation.
The man who says yes very soon says 'Yes Massah'.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
Irish-Referendum
Greg's Links
Oh don't worry FT, I can assure you that no-one's complaining about UKIP sticking their oar in.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
Least of all FF, the potential death knell to a successful Yes Campaign?Oh don't worry FT, I can assure you that no-one's complaining about UKIP sticking their oar in.
Embarrassed by your British friends, Tory Boy?
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"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
Well, this is hypocritical. No to foreigners yet you'll welcome a British party with a purely British agenda to come here and influence our domestic ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.
Well,I didnot think much of them either but was very surprised with the way he put Lucinda back in her box yesterday evening when she started talking about the GPO in1916, a major blunder by Lucinda on Drivetime
There's no delay in that respect when it comes to countries like Austria and Hungary (30 per cent and 15 per cent of their respective governments), never mind Italy, where the neo-Fascists have taken over (and the absence of outrage over that fact speaks volumes). [size=1]Besides, the evidence that the EU has its origins in same abounds quite freely.[/size]Can the Nazis be long delayed.....?
'Small units like Scotland or Wales' - do you include Ireland in that? Since Ireland's only got 1m more people than Wales and 1m less than Scotland?
Forget about famine, repressive laws or the fact an independent Ireland has a GDP per capita twice my country and a higher life expectancy. Ignore too that Ireland can choose her own foreign policy (and doesn't send your troops into the quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan)... Under your logic I guess it's time to drop the tricolour and start learning 'God save the queen' since small units like Ireland having an aspiration of self rule is a certain recipe for failure...
Tell me something, if Irish independence from westminster was happening 100 years after it did - would you support an Irish free state or would you side with UKIP and other british nationalists?!
I could go for for pages about how my country is suffering under centralised unionist laws... how the standard of living of my country is 10% lower than the EU25 average ... with parts 25% lower (Enquiry Blank).... and getting poorer.
And how despite billions we've paid in tax London has chronically under invested in the country - how the Barnet Formula you talk about is fundamentally bias since it ignores London's 'capital spenditure projects' which almost exclusively happen in England - such as HS1, Cross rail, the Olympics, west coast mainline upgrade - even the new Wembley...
But I shant, because I truely believe a country should be able to run its own affairs, led by its own representatives who've been chosen by its own people (regardless of union gold... or lack of!)
You clearly don't believe this and instead would like mine country (and probably your own) being run by a political union based in a foreign country where 95% of the members aren't Welsh.
I hope you enjoy your pact with the unionists.
