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    Quote Originally Posted by marco_polo View Post
    Opposition to the death penalty has always been a core European value. Unless I am mistaken isn't a moratorium on the death penalty already a precondition of membership into either the EU or the Council of Europe?
    You are correct. Opposition to the death penalty is based on the premise that totalitarian regimes used the law to persecute and kill its victims, ie it was against the law to be a Jew.

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    Vote Yes ..
    or vote NO so we can return to the commonwealth and get another clap from the BNC
    and we'll all be grand because we still remember how to cut and stack turf
    and they'll all still buy Guinness by the ship load off us. That lovely Liffey water is the clincher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Groome View Post
    Vote Yes ..
    or vote NO so we can return to the commonwealth and get another clap from the BNC
    and we'll all be grand because we still remember how to cut and stack turf
    and they'll all still buy Guinness by the ship load off us. That lovely Liffey water is the clincher.
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    Des you are pathetic. This sky will fall in unless we bend the knee to our betters is the very rhetoric the brits sold us 100 years ago. Grow a pair and stand on your own two feet.

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    Under the cloak of "human rights", which McGinley claims to support, the Charter of Fundamental Rights (Article 15(1)) would force Ireland to allow asylum-seekers to work even while the British optout would make Ireland the only English-speaking country in the EU to do so. This would lead to hundreds of thousands of illegals in the UK coming to Ireland, displacing Irish workers. That is the real agenda of Lisbon - a renewed race to the bottom with non-EU labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netron View Post
    its a bit more than just being "rightwing catholic" - the charter does indeed enshrine into law certain things that would normally be part of democratic debate.

    Thus cutting off debate on those areas - so under the guise of "human rights" its actually introducing some very anti-democratic values.

    For example article 21:
    "Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited."


    Which all sounds fine and dandy.. until your charity project aimed at getting young men on the straight and narrow gets banned - because it "discriminates" against over 18s and females in terms of membership.

    Or your bible study Sunday class gets banned because you dont allow non-Christians to join...

    Or your Irish Club in Hammersmith gets banned because you only allow Irish immigrants to join...

    ...and sarkozy would want to be careful when he's banning those women from wearing those crazy all-over outfits too.

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    Reason 101: I want the 2 Brians to screw me simultaneously. Unfortunately a No vote will get rid of my best ride for ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netron View Post
    Definitely in Ireland - agree with you there. But in England, there's majority voter support for it in poll after poll after poll.
    I am not interested in England, It is up to the English to run their country and their democratic elected government under their own sovereign right to do so. To force your own say in other EU members in another Democratic elected country is to overrule their sovereign right to govern themselves. That is an attack on democracy principles and what to stop other EU members from do the same to us by legalising Illegal drugs, if other EU member feel that the right to access to drug is freedom of expression or legalising Abortion with no limits as a Swedish MP is trying to do here by launching a petition last month calling for abortion to be legalised throughout the European Union. The petition, entitled 'Make Noise for Free Choice' is aimed at Ireland, Poland and Malta, all Catholic countries that ban pregnancy terminations. 1 Million signatories under the Citizen Initiative under Lisbon Treaty will force the EU Commission to look at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by netron View Post
    The Charter effectively bans a political viewpoint and shuts that down and removes it from the democratic debate. Voters will not have that option.

    The counter argument would be "well we wouldnt want a pro-slavery party would we".
    That a very dumb argument for voting for the charter. All it takes another country how support slavery to invade us to impose slavery on us.
    We along with other EU members belong to the lesser known Council of Europe (NOT EU BODY)
    Council of Europe
    Council of Europe
    European Convention on Human Rights
    Council of Europe - ETS no. 005 - Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms
    There is 47 European countries involved with observer status of non-European countries. It has a particular emphasis on legal standards, human rights, democratic development, the rule of law and cultural co-operation. As A founder member we sign up to it charter of human rights and under Article 4 have a ban on Slavery and incorporated it into Irish Law (Latest Revision is in 2003
    European Convention on Human Rights Act 2003|) . So has the other EU members.
    It is under this body that Senator Norris took the Irish Government to Court in Strasbourg to decriminalise homosexuality. In 1988 ruling of the European Court of Human Rights. The Court (not part the EU nor ECJ) found that the State's law on homosexuality violated the European Convention on Human Rights.

    Some would say that all the hefty Regulations to build on your house own property is slavery to an unmerciful system or been financially at the mercy of others is Slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by netron View Post
    Well, what i find troubling is that political viewpoints are being hardwired into European law.. And who knows where this might end.

    I dont like it.
    Nothing is ever perfect as we all are very very different. It is about compromise so nothing is every perfect to others and that what democracy is all about.

    Our own Constitution is hardwired of the Eamon De Valera era Politics. So is many of our own Laws is of political views that we the electorate voted in. Our own Constitution has been tweaked many times at the permission of the People and will no doubt be tweaked in the future.
    We voted politicians in to the Dail on their View they express during elections. The Good news about bad Laws is they can be reversed when we vote in better politicians after the next elections when they exists!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Us View Post
    Reason 101: I want the 2 Brians to screw me simultaneously. Unfortunately a No vote will get rid of my best ride for ages.
    What makes you think that they haven't Already!! unless you are looking to be ridden again.

    They both did the damage to my pockets and stole from me too within the last year!!

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    I can give 'interesting' reasons to drink acid and eat glass.

    1. It makes your mouth spew funny colours.
    2. You will find it hard to say 'Mississippi' afterwards.
    3. It can invalidate life insurance policies.
    4. It promotes rapid weight loss.
    5. It can bring an end to dental visits.

    What of it?
    If I could mass-sterilise the planet, I would. Seriously.
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