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    Quote Originally Posted by evercloserunion View Post
    Tell me, what is your preferred alternative to democracy?

    This should be fun.
    What's "funny" about it .... actually no, it's rather not funny ....

    The fact that 1% of the Electorate of the EU only have the opportunity directly to vote upon a Treaty affecting 491 million people and that 1% having voted No are being obliged to vote again some 12 odd months later

    But yeah .... what's the preferred alternative to "democracy" in present day EU land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    [FONT=Microsoft Sans Serif]Oh for shame. I mean - what is the world coming to? A newspaper in an [SIZE=5]opinion[/SIZE] column publishes an [SIZE=5]opinion[/SIZE]. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Microsoft Sans Serif]The No side on this site are becoming more and more of a joke. They cannot tolerate anyone expressing an opinion anywhere that doesn't represent their own opinions. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Microsoft Sans Serif]It used to be said that liberals were the most illiberal when it came to allowing people disagree with them. But now the self-proclaimed legions of freedom on the No side go into a strop everytime anyone dares disagree with them or express an opinion they don't approve of. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Microsoft Sans Serif]Utterly bizarre.[/FONT]
    Yes Tommy it is an opinion piece. But the editor knew full well the impact the article would/could have.

    If it was an effort to get people to vote YES, then most likely it's failed(Unless it was planted that way?!) and may work in the NO's advantage.

    Either way, the Irish times published an article that likened the 53% of those who voted NO as being 'lunatics'.
    "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." – George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Democracy can go wrong
    Michael Lowry - John O Donoghue - Bertie - Beverley Cooper Flynn - Jackie Healy Rae - Des Hannafin - .....................

    No problem with democracy. Unfortunately democracy sometimes gives us a Government that are absolutely clueless and drive us over the cliff
    A government... and an opposition... and 11 out of 12 MEPs. All of them support Lisbon, and their election was no mistake.
    To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give every one his due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Reeks of elitism. The elites think they have a right to tell us how to think. And heaven forfend we should dare to take a contrary view. What was it Edmund Burke said about "the swinish multitude"? Because it sure feels like those days again.
    Please God no - not the elites, next thing it will be the intelligentsia that's coming for us!!!! Fox News has a lot to answer for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evercloserunion View Post
    Tell me, what is your preferred alternative to democracy?

    This should be fun.
    Are you seriously calling this 'WAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! WE DEMAND A RE-RUN!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! !!!!!!!!! WE..... (sob) DEMAND...... (sob) A....RE-RUN!!' coercive shyte you're foisting on us all 'democracy'?

    Give us a forking break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Was it not George Bernard Shaw who once described this island as “the largest open-air lunatic asylum in the world”?
    The People of Ireland voted FF into power while that Rainbow lot were doing a pretty good job of making us rich. (I didn't vote FF, because they were a bunch of thieves with the morality of polecats and the common sense of cowpats).

    The people of Ireland proceeded to re-elect FF twice, despite mounting evidence of even worse corruption, incompetence and their general "FWAAAAH...puke!" nature. (I still didn't vote FF, because they were still a bunch of thieves with the morality of polecats and the common sense of cowpats).

    Given more than a decade in power, they did to the nation what any mildly intelligent observer would have predicted.

    The part they played in creating our current crisis is crystal clear.

    Their solution, while its elements will depend on events, is equally predictable: fluck all but those who have funded them - their shareholders, as I prefer to call them.

    And yet at least 25% of the electorate (including many of those they will be 100% guaranteed to fluck) would vote for them tomorrow.

    So where did Shaw get it wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunkyBoogaloo View Post
    But as and from reading the link, no longer will i waste any money on the IT. That's two papers now!! i'll send the IT a letter but don't expect it to be printed...
    Why wouldn't they print it? They've printed lots of letters from people advocating a No vote, many of which have been loaded to the gills with misrepresentations and lies. So just sprinkle some of the shyte that the likes of Eurosceptic and FutureTaoiseach post through your letter, and you've as good a chance as anyone.
    "Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)

    The majority cannot therefore be the elite.

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    You can only vote for the clowns put in front of you.

    Democracy - A Dail full of clowns !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    You can only vote for the clowns put in front of you.

    Democracy - A Dail full of clowns !!
    Corny, dumb cliché. If you are so unimpressed, why don't you get off your arse and run yourself? Or is actually doing something about it a bit too much to ask?
    "Irish citizens . . . on ratification of the Treaty could be forced to become Euro soldiers." Sinn Féin claim on Maastricht in 'Democracy or Dependency' p.6. in 1992.

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    The Yes camp have lost the plot altogether.

    All the No side have to do at this stage is stay quiet.

    The Yes camp are far too busy shooting themselves in the head to worry about some marginal soft-yes-trending-to-no votes.

    The Yes camp have been so ludicrously hysterical all they are doing is reinforcing the firm No vote!

    This Lisbon turkey is heading for its own private Christmas.
    Soul almost completely worn through

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