Private polling and focus groups indicate Lisbon 2 may be lost: Sunday Times

[kerrynorth]

According to Matt Cooper in tomorrow's Sunday Times private polling and focus group research in recent weeks indicate that the public mood has turned against Lisbon and that Yes proponents now believe that it may be lost contrary to recent public polls.

The opinion polls to date have some comfort for the Yes side but in recent weeks I detect growing fear among the treaty’s proponents based on some limited private polling and focus groups.

Matt Cooper: Ganley’s departure will boost Yes side - Times Online

[seanmacc]

So can we cancel the referendum. It may be an avenue for the government to save face and save the exchequer a few quid.

I'm embarrassed to be forced to vote on this again. It's really insulting our intellegence.

[toxic avenger]

They should have got us while we were down, the terror is mutating into resigned acceptance, the fear factor is dissipating. I still think it'll be a yes but there are rays of hope appearing...

[He3]

The biggest problem for the Yes side is that the public is being asked to vote on exactly the same referendum as last time.

Plain wrong.

There is a brand new provision in this referendum, but in a way I can hardly blame Matt for missing it. It is only on being discussed on P.ie folks!

http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty...ndum-bill.html


4° Ireland affirms its commitment to the European Union within which the member states of that Union work together to promote peace, shared values and the well-being of their peoples. [new]

The remarkably vague scare line in his article has the air of a planted 'rallying the troops' fiction about it.

[Catalpa]

As the Iranian Lady said:

WHERE'S MY VOTE?


- and I hope this is the case KN!

[TommyO'Brien]

According to Matt Cooper in tomorrow's Sunday Times private polling and focus group research in recent weeks indicate that the public mood has turned against Lisbon and that Yes proponents now believe that it may be lost contrary to recent public polls.

Matt Cooper: Ganley’s departure will boost Yes side - Times Online

I'm surprised KN that a poster such as you would so umambiguously misrepresent the article.

He did not state that private polling and focus group research showed the public mood had turned against Lisbon and that Yes propronents now believe it may be lost.

What he said that that he "detected" (in other words thought without seeing any evidence) that "among proponents" (in other words, among some people on the yes side) there was fear "based on some limited private polling and focus groups".

He also wrote

"Victory might fall into the lap of the side that tells its own lies most convincingly or which manages to scare the voters more. Or winning may come down to whichever side is able to better argue that our economic position will be improved more — or damaged less — by voting their way. On that score, the Yes side currently appears to have the advantage."

So the article suggests things quite different to the misleading spin you put on it.

Future Taoiseach and Eurosceptic continually wildly misrepresent things and tell lies about the meanings of things. Please don't fall to their level of twisting facts.

Oh and BTW as you know the Sunday Times is hardly a trusted source of information, given that it was the only newspaper that ordered staff to write opinion pieces on only one side of the argument and refused to publish articles from staff giving a different view. Every other paper carried pieces by staffers, freelancers and others giving both sides. The ST refused to, something which, as a former ST contributor, I was disappointed by. In all my years of journalism I never was instructed by any paper on what to write, and would have refused if so instructed. I was disappointed that my colleagues in the Sunday Times were so instructed, and so were many of them, including people who were No supporters but who nevertheless thought it wrong to silence people who do not share the editorial line of the paper from giving their own opinions.

[seanmacc]

Plain wrong.

There is a brand new provision in this referendum, but in a way I can hardly blame Matt for missing it. It is only on being discussed on P.ie folks!



4° Ireland affirms its commitment to the European Union within which the member states of that Union work together to promote peace, shared values and the well-being of their peoples. [new]

The well being of their peoples and shared values under a new world order. This treaty is dangerous I'll believe a conspiracy nut over a Fianna Fail/ Fine Gael politician. FF and FG have one sole mission in the European parliment which I find disgusting and that is the policy of don't cause any trouble, draw attention to yourselves ad say yes to everything or Europe may get angry and cut the money.

Ask anyone who works there. (not FF or FG obviously)

[kerrynorth]

I always believed that Michael Martin was right in arguing that the An Bord Snip report should have been released. Even before the report I was detecting a change in public mood to anger from the fear that was there from the begining of the year. All through September you will have Nama and An Bord Snip/the Budgetary process elbowing the referendum for public attention. There is much more reason now than last year for people to cast an No vote in protest.

[MrYouGoBoss]

its gona be another NO, the worrying thing is Cowen and the rest admitting theres no plan B, or C i should say

[Baron von Biffo]

Plain wrong.

There is a brand new provision in this referendum, but in a way I can hardly blame Matt for missing it. It is only on being discussed on P.ie folks!

It's a pretty obvious typo as the next paragraph makes clear he was referring to the fact that we're being asked to vote on exactly the same treaty.

Nice try though