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About LinkBacksWhich thread would this be? I've never spent a solid 23 hours on a computer in my life so I doubt it somehow.Originally Posted by seanmacc
Which thread would this be? I've never spent a solid 23 hours on a computer in my life so I doubt it somehow.
To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give every one his due.
IMO the electorate:
- can discern Ireland's EU interests on their own merits; and
- will hold their retribution for FF until the general election (we're possibly looking at 40-50 FF TDs and 5-10 gene pool independents, plus 5-10 Sinn Fein). That I think is the best the Republican gene pool can do (50 min - 70 max).
It's up to FG and (especially) Labour to demonstrate to the electorate that there is a natural sequence from a Lisbon Yes to an FG-Labour coalition that can deliver the best possible outcome for Ireland.
A Lisbon 2 No means a descent into political turmoil in which no political party will be able to operate effectively for a decade or more.
Simple message? Vote Yes to Lisbon, and then use every means possible to get FF out. Getting the electorate into that mood is the challenge. But I think it's the mood they want to be in.
He said he is anti-Lisbon.
Nonsense.however I agree that the Sunday Times has. This in itself is no bad thing as at the very least it counters the sheer weight the pro-Lisbon side have in terms of advocacy.
In newspapers in Ireland there is a basic rule. Columnists are given the freedom to comment on issues irrespective of whether they support, or oppose, the editorial line of the paper.
The Indo was pro-Lisbon, but rightly allowed Bruce Arnold to write anti-Lisbon pieces and pieces of Hagiography about Libertas.
The Daily Mail takes a right wing economic agenda yet rightly allows Joe Higgins express viewpoints diametrically opposed to its editorial agenda.
It is a basic rule.
The Irish Times, Indo, Sindo, Tribune, etc all gave total freedom to their columnists to express their personal opinions, whether for or against, Lisbon.
Only two publications imposed a Stalinist ban on anyone being allowed to write a column that differed from the editorial stance of the newspaper. One was Alive! The other was the Sunday Times. Even No supporting columnists in the ST were disgusted at the ban. It is an unheard of imposition of editorial control on the contents of columns. Columns in papers are only ever removed for legal reasons. If the editor is aware, but the columnist is not, that there is an issue coming down the tracks which would leave the columnist with egg on their face if that column was published, they encourage the columnist to delay the publication, but if the columnist sticks by their guns, unless there are legal concerns then it is published.
The telling of columnists that they must only write articles reflecting the editorial line was a travesty of journalistic independence, and I would say that irrespective of whether it was the ST, as it did, banning any columnist from siding with the Yes side, or the Indo, as it did not, banning Bruce Arnold from siding with the No side. If you are hired to write a column you are supposed to have the freedom to decide what goes into it, and never be told 'you can only express opinions that match editorial policy'.
"Irish citizens . . . on ratification of the Treaty could be forced to become Euro soldiers." Sinn Féin claim on Maastricht in 'Democracy or Dependency' p.6. in 1992.
I did not vote last time, I will be voting NO this time.
I hate being an EU taxpayer and paying some scum-phuck for their overpriced and inept pro europe propaganda monkeys. I dont work bloody hard for them to pay to try to convince me how good they are and how I dare question things or "orders".
When they start grooming journalists and training them with our money to propagate their agenda through multiple media fronts we just have to say enough is enough, there is a name for that kind of thing.
NO NO NO
Last edited by Wakeupcall; 9th August 2009 at 02:07 AM.
As I said only today... yesterday, to somebody prominent in the no side that there was 2 months to go and there is plenty of time for the government to piss off plenty of people...
All the yes side need now is Ganley to come back.
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Wouldn't a yes victory just make it 1 -1.
When would the decider be?
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
Thesis? You'll spend a lot longer than 23 hours on a computer pretending to do that!
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And where would it be played ..... here???
Maybe here... again.And where would it be played ..... here???
A poster of some consequence...
How does that follow McDave?
'Personally, I find the notion of changing our constitution in exchange for a loan absolutely disgusting'. - Tin Foil Hat
