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About LinkBacksKN very clearly has an anti-Lisbon agenda, and I'd be very surprised if he didn't tell you that himself.Originally Posted by Malbekh
KN very clearly has an anti-Lisbon agenda, and I'd be very surprised if he didn't tell you that himself.
To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give every one his due.
Yes OK. That's in Ireland, or the other 500 million Europeans?
Oh I am very much anti-Lisbon but does not mean that I cannot accurately sum up an interesting nugget of information in an article.
I like to think I use my vote intellegently (play nice!) but despite all the great and good of the land telling me I have to vote yes this time (I voted no last time for all manner of reasons) but I still find my full instinct is still to vote no and the more I am told about deals etc the more I think I'm being lied to.
On an intellectual level I can understand all the arguments made by the yes side but emotionally it's no no no all the way.
I think it comes down to trust and I have no trust in Biffo and zero respect for any of the elite. I trust Enda Kenny or people like him in the sense I believe he genuinely thinks a yes is vital but I'm not sure I trust him as to why he thinks a yes is so vital ie that really if we vote no all that will happen is well nothing. But that a yes is good for the elites as it's their big project and they don't like being told no.
So at the moment I'm still going to vote no. On this issue I'd rather not hold my nose and be linked with FF and rather go with the likes of Joe Higgins or even Patricia McKenna - even though some of their ideas are pure bonkers because I believe they genuinely believe their policies I can overlook the bonkers part. Whereas Biffo and Mikey et al sort of my make my skin scrawl.
I stand corrected, and he just did
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They're trying to bully us this time so maybe they'll try to slip us a bung for the third go.
The Germans will take over NAMA, the French will underwrite the bank guarantee and the Bulgarians will poke Harney in the foot with an umbrella.
Evercloserunion has a very pro-Lisbon agenda. So pro-Lisbon he spent 23hours on one particular thread about the Lisbon Treaty. Draw your own conclusions who he/she/they are. I won't use the term troll because this goes beyond troll. Look at how long he/she/they is online responding/posting threads.
Ah no, in fairness he was correcting an assumption I had made that was erroneous. He has a pro-Lisbon agenda but that has nothing to do with putting the record straight.
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Regardless of the merits of Lisbon nothing - I repeat nothing - will be 'done' to Ireland if we vote no. We won't be kicked out of the EU, we won't be sidelined, the Central Bank won't withdraw funding and it won't affect our ability to land the next two generations in debt. The markets understand the situation better than politicians so they understand it's not a vote on being in the EU or anything like it - it is simply people being asked to say yes or no to a very complex document that should never be put to a yes or no question.
So let's not waste time making up lies about what if we vote no and those who are in favour of Lisbon should instead sell its merits and address the trust issue people have whenever they hear someone from the establishment tell them what to do especially given what we now know that establishment have been doing.
Last edited by Lloyd-Apjohn; 11th August 2009 at 11:11 PM.
The other 487 million Europeans did not get the opportunity to vote upon the Lisbon Treaty (unless perhaps the UK in time depending on how things pan out over there and re a Gen Election) ..... as McCreevy said "all of the politicians of Europe would have known quite well that if a similar question had been put to their electorate in a referendum the answer in 95 percent of countries would have been ‘No’ as well"
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