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Zombie party pushing zombie treaty.
How can NAMA function if the funny-money supply is cut off?
A no to Lisbon certainly won't help NAMA, now will it?
This Government must be stopped, by any means necessary. Our system needs purged of all the toxic sewage, our political class, media class, generally the entire system, is rotten to the core and must be ripped down.
We are not fit for purpose. Why would the rest of Europe even want an unreformed Ireland in the club? We're toxic, poisonous, a pathogen feeding off the host.
A cleaned-up restructured Ireland in 5 or 10 years time would be a much prefereable partner for the rest of Europe anyway. We can get back to discussing Lisbon then. The world won't end if this garbage Treaty is rejected. But the Kleptocracy might.
We are still up against it. A yes was a certainty if the rerun took place back in the spring but a no is now possible albeit very difficult.
yes indeed, from my understanding it seems that central banks ultimately possess the biggest guns of all and can affect massive change, if the treaty does'nt pass by democratic means then there may be a plan to implement a federal europe regardless of voting, and yes it could be very scary. the elite always get what they want regardless, don't they?
what this country needs are some televised debates on the subject of the lisbon treaty, it does'nt seem good enough to have loads of YES spin rhetoric foisted upon the nation from members of political parties who can all fade away into woodwork and take no responsibility for what may be a very bad YES decision. Remember how a goverment and a certain minister quietly made a decision all by themselves back then and now we have no gas because THEY said yes yes yes to Shell. The nation demands a debate, no quick sale required!
Honestly McDave, now you're going on with the 'Heart of Europe' crap. Even Cowen admitted that this was bull.
Can you name the countries that, you think, will sign up to a new agreement where it has been made clear, in the most dramatic possible way, that saying NO is not allowed? Presumably, this new agreement won't have that pesky unanimity clause that has been so much trouble for them.
That's all I needed to read.Even though the Lisbon treaty has no direct bearing on the economy, the support we are getting from the European Central Bank is keeping us afloat. While this is deemed necessary to protect the euro, there are undoubtedly ways to make life more difficult for us if we don’t back the European project.
It's an outside shot, granted, but a NO vote could be the last straw for this Government, escpecially when it will be followed very shortly by a tough budget.
Actually, it's many YES voters who seem to think that their vote is a letter to the Mystical Magical Economy Fairies who will lift us out of the recession.
lads we seem to have wandered away from the core of this thread.
which is do you think theres private polling by the yes side that shows theyre losing or not?
i think there is as despite all the promises to the contrary we STILL are getting no reason to vote for this treaty, or a real explanation of it, being put to the general public. just the same irrelevant shyte that was spouted last time bringing up things we already have like european membership and the euro
case in point some yes camp (could be the expected EU campaign itself) has now got a thinly veiled propaganda campaign off and running in the cinemas. i brought the niece to see GI JOE yesterday and was forced to sit through this twaddle about how great europe is for us and going on about free travel and the like
i think it actually is paid for by the EU as it doesnt reference lisbon at all but its patently obvious why were seeing this crap less than 8 weeks from a referendum that affects it. probably wont be long before its all over the telly.
all its done is annoy me and got some one in the audience to shout out "im still voting no!" which got a bit of a laugh.
Well, I think many of us suspect that the report published telling us why we voted no was a stitch-up, and said exactly what those who commissioned it wanted it to say.lads we seem to have wandered away from the core of this thread.
which is do you think theres private polling by the yes side that shows theyre losing or not?
i think there is as despite all the promises to the contrary we STILL are getting no reason to vote for this treaty, or a real explanation of it, being put to the general public. just the same irrelevant shyte that was spouted last time bringing up things we already have like european membership and the euro
case in point some yes camp (could be the expected EU campaign itself) has now got a thinly veiled propaganda campaign off and running in the cinemas. i brought the niece to see GI JOE yesterday and was forced to sit through this twaddle about how great europe is for us and going on about free travel and the like
i think it actually is paid for by the EU as it doesnt reference lisbon at all but its patently obvious why were seeing this crap less than 8 weeks from a referendum that affects it. probably wont be long before its all over the telly.
all its done is annoy me and got some one in the audience to shout out "im still voting no!" which got a bit of a laugh.
Also, many early polls may have been phrased in a way as to get the highest YES result possible. Asking question along the lines of "If the EU addressed all of your concerns about the Lisbon treaty, would you vote YES?" This would have been necessary to justify having a second vote at all.
But, now that all cards are on the table, and people are being asked "How will you vote on Oct 2nd?", it's quite possible that the numbers answering NO have increased dramatically.
