Lisbon threatens power of most powerful EU State

[cd27]

Germany's highest court rejects Lisbon intent

EUobserver / [Comment] German judgement is a call to action against the EU's democratic deficit

"The Court judgement modifies the most important principle of the primacy of European law. Member States are said to be the "masters of the Treaties." In the Court's view the EU institutions have no powers of their own. They can only administer delegated competences in prescribed areas. European law is stated to be ultimately based on and limited by the accession law of each Member State

The Karlsruhe Court also insists that there must be important areas of law-making and decision-taking left to the EU Member States. This is an invitation to politicians everywhere to ask their governments what competences are left with the Member States after the adoption of the Lisbon Treaty.

The Court does not accept that the European Parliament is a body which can give adequate democratic legitimacy to European Union law. The Court also sets limits to the importance of the new "additional" Union citizenship and states that this can only be supplementary to national citizenship."

Time to pause EU enlargement to prevent Germany's power being lost in EU

Germany and Europe: Constitutional concerns | The Economist

"THE reverberations from last month’s ruling by Germany’s Constitutional Court on the European Union’s Lisbon treaty seem to be growing. In effect, the court said that the EU is not democratic enough to support more integration and told Germany, the biggest EU member, to hit the pause button.

The court asked the German parliament to pass a new law to give itself more say over EU affairs. It added that, even if national legislators duly become more active, there are limits to the powers that they can cede to Europe. The EU is not a democratic state and the European Parliament is not a proper legislature, it said. Germany must therefore retain the power to shape “citizens’ circumstances of life” in such areas as criminal law, taxation, education and religion".

Take that, Lisbon Treaty creeps

[cd27]

"Chancellor Angela Merkel, as the main architect of the Lisbon treaty, wants swift approval of a law that does not hamstring the government."

Forgot to mention the other architect, a certain Mr B Ahern.

Merke's gov partners have " demanded that big EU decisions, including the admission of new members, be put to referendums; suggested that the next European Commission should not include an enlargement commissioner; and called for the introduction of a system of “integration control” by the Constitutional Court. "

[Al.]

and called for the introduction of a system of “integration control” by the Constitutional Court.

Now is that legal per the Irish Constitution?? Remember, the Karlsruhe court recognises the German constitution as the only valid legal document related not only to German matters, but to EU matters as well.

[FutureTaoiseach]

It only applies in Germany, sadly. As such, we are being asked to render the Oireachtas inferior to the German parliament with respect to control of how the Eurocrats exercise their power over us.

[Lthse]

The Court does not accept that the European Parliament is a body which can give adequate democratic legitimacy to European Union law. The Court also sets limits to the importance of the new "additional" Union citizenship and states that this can only be supplementary to national citizenship.[/I]"

So the No side were right about this change in citizenship.

[ibis]

The article is by Bonde. Read the actual judgement, or even the summary, and you'll find that, as usual, Bonde has taken his standard conclusions and adapted the truth to fit.

[TommyO'Brien]

The article is by Bonde. Read the actual judgement, or even the summary, and you'll find that, as usual, Bonde has taken his standard conclusions and adapted the truth to fit.

Bonde misrepresenting things? Never!

[He3]

ibis gave up the ghost on the thread discussing the judgment and the issue of supremacy when it became clear his position was untenable.

Finbar10 assembled the material from the judgment and from the academic literature.

Tis all there to be enjoyed over the weekend.

http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty...ml#post1883686 and succeeding posts.

[Wakeupcall]

ibis gave up the ghost on the thread discussing the judgment and the issue of supremacy when it became clear his position was untenable.

Finbar10 assembled the material from the judgment and from the academic literature.

Tis all there to be enjoyed over the weekend.

http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty...ml#post1883686 and succeeding posts.

What are you saying? (Dont have time to read that atm)

[Galmor]

Don't mention the.......ahem, Lisbon treaty