NO groups this time around

[Clanrickard]

With Decco off the stage there seems to be a vacuum on the NO side. The yes side has the full weight of the establishment behind it and oodles of cash. On the NO we seem to have Higgins, the Shinners, assorted "peace" groups and a farrago of loony lefties. There are many centrists or right wingers who seem to have no where to go on this one if they want to help out.

[molloyjh]

I think that really says it all. The extremists who have been traditionally against EU Treaties are against this one. Noone else is.

[Freeborn John]

I think that really says it all. The extremists who have been traditionally against EU Treaties are against this one. Noone else is.

... Apart from the majority of the electorate in almost every European country.

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"I think all of the politicians of Europe would have known quite well that if a similar question (on the Lisbon Treaty) had been put to their electorate in a referendum the answer in 95 per cent of countries would have been 'No' as well". Charlie McCreevy

[ibis]

... Apart from the majority of the electorate in almost every European country.

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"I think all of the politicians of Europe would have known quite well that if a similar question (on the Lisbon Treaty) had been put to their electorate in a referendum the answer in 95 per cent of countries would have been 'No' as well". Charlie McCreevy

Ah yes - so we can stop having elections, and simply ask Charlie McCreevy the result? Unless you're willing to take the word of McCreevy based on his "authority" as a Commissioner and ex-Finance Minister - and I somehow doubt as a general rule that you do - I suggest that either you or he needs to provide some of that old-fashioned evidence stuff.

[molloyjh]

... Apart from the majority of the electorate in almost every European country.

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"I think all of the politicians of Europe would have known quite well that if a similar question (on the Lisbon Treaty) had been put to their electorate in a referendum the answer in 95 per cent of countries would have been 'No' as well". Charlie McCreevy

You don't trust the politicians until it suits you to do so is basically what you're saying. And when it suits you their word is proof of what at least 150-200 million people think. What more can I say really....

[CookieMonster]

Ah yes - so we can stop having elections, and simply ask Charlie McCreevy the result?

Well we seem to have forgone the asking the public about things (except for here were it appears we'll just keep asking until they give the answer we want) so why not just ask Charlie.

[molloyjh]

Well we seem to have forgone the asking the public about things (except for here were it appears we'll just keep asking until they give the answer we want) so why not just ask Charlie.

Since when did that happen? Isn't all this Lisbon debate about the Government asking the people? Aren't we due to have a referendum in October? So isn't this poinjt just complete fiction?

[CookieMonster]

Since when did that happen? Isn't all this Lisbon debate about the Government asking the people? Aren't we due to have a referendum in October? So isn't this poinjt just complete fiction?

Well we seem to have forgone the asking the public about things (except for here were it appears we'll just keep asking until they give the answer we want) so why not just ask Charlie.

[stewiegriffin]

Speaking of complete fiction....

The extremists who have been traditionally against EU Treaties are against this one. Noone else is.

[molloyjh]

Well we seem to have forgone the asking the public about things (except for here were it appears we'll just keep asking until they give the answer we want) so why not just ask Charlie.

In case I'm not mistaken all Member States are democracies and all function based on their democratically approved Constitutions. Now I understand that you're not willing to respect other Member States Constitutional provisions re the Treaties, but then that is your failing not theirs.

Speaking of complete fiction....

Care to even attempt to point out what was fictitous about that comment?