Daniel Hannan on Lisbon

[cd27]

this isn't over yet,

Telegraph Blogs News Lisbon Treaty: what will happen next

"The judgment of the Germany’s Bundesverfassungsgericht is more significant than some people realise. At the very least, there is now a prospect of further delay in that country: even if the Bundestag were to alter its statutes as required, there might be a second legal challenge claiming that the amendments were insufficient.In any case, democrats in every other EU state can now fairly argue that they want the same rights as the Germans. And who can deny the force of their claim? Who can argue that, while Germany has given its national parliamentarians more direct control over EU decisions, other countries should not have the same safeguards?

It all comes down to Britain. Euro-integrationists will move Heaven and Earth to ratify the European Constitution Lisbon Treaty before David Cameron comes to office. Peter Mandelson is their agent, as I explain here. Eurocrats know that the Tory leader would hold a referendum on his very first day: he has even drafted the Bill in advance. In their determination to wedge Gordon Brown in place, they are doing huge damage to him, to Labour and to British democracy – all of which would be justified, in their minds, by the implementation of Lisbon. What, though, if they make all these sacrifices and then lose anyway?"

[Clanrickard]

this isn't over yet,

Telegraph Blogs News Lisbon Treaty: what will happen next

"The judgment of the Germany’s Bundesverfassungsgericht is more significant than some people realise. At the very least, there is now a prospect of further delay in that country: even if the Bundestag were to alter its statutes as required, there might be a second legal challenge claiming that the amendments were insufficient.In any case, democrats in every other EU state can now fairly argue that they want the same rights as the Germans. And who can deny the force of their claim? Who can argue that, while Germany has given its national parliamentarians more direct control over EU decisions, other countries should not have the same safeguards?

It all comes down to Britain. Euro-integrationists will move Heaven and Earth to ratify the European Constitution Lisbon Treaty before David Cameron comes to office. Peter Mandelson is their agent, as I explain here. Eurocrats know that the Tory leader would hold a referendum on his very first day: he has even drafted the Bill in advance. In their determination to wedge Gordon Brown in place, they are doing huge damage to him, to Labour and to British democracy – all of which would be justified, in their minds, by the implementation of Lisbon. What, though, if they make all these sacrifices and then lose anyway?"

Hannan excellent as always.

[Horses]

Hannan is either a liar or just seriously deluded as the Conservatives haven't a notion of giving a referendum on Lisbon.

[molloyjh]

Hannan excellent as always.

Indeed. The guy who thought that Milosovic shouldn't be tried by the ICTY, who was booted out of the group he sat on in the EU, the guy who praised the Icelandic economic model until the country went belly up and the guy who is so incredibly euroskeptic that he had his stag night in Iceland to celebrate their decision not to join the EU.

Excellent indeed.

[CookieMonster]

Hannan excellent as always.

Indeed. He's not the only one saying this either.

[CookieMonster]

Indeed. The guy who thought that Milosovic shouldn't be tried by the ICTY, who was booted out of the group he sat on in the EU, the guy who praised the Icelandic economic model until the country went belly up and the guy who is so incredibly euroskeptic that he had his stag night in Iceland to celebrate their decision not to join the EU.

Excellent indeed.

Care to deal with what he actually said rather than, you know, stuff that has nothing to do with it as you usually seem to do.

[molloyjh]

Care to deal with what he actually said rather than, you know, stuff that has nothing to do with it as you usually seem to do.

Pot, kettle. Generally my posts are relevant to the statements I'm responding to. I'm not arsed reading the opinion of a vocal euroskeptic who thought Iceland was the way to go economically. I don't feel someone like that can be viewed as impartial, or even remotely near impartial, especially given his "celebration" that Iceland din't join the EU. That just shows rabid anti-EU sentiment, which can only lead to a clouded and incredibly biased view.

[CookieMonster]

Pot, kettle. Generally my posts are relevant to the statements I'm responding to. I'm not arsed reading the opinion of a vocal euroskeptic who thought Iceland was the way to go economically. I don't feel someone like that can be viewed as impartial, or even remotely near impartial, especially given his "celebration" that Iceland din't join the EU. That just shows rabid anti-EU sentiment, which can only lead to a clouded and incredibly biased view.

That's a no then?

[molloyjh]

That's a no then?

Congratulations you can read!

[CookieMonster]

Congratulations you can read!

Just so we're clear that your contribution to this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the content of the thread. That it is, in fact, a thankfully brief little hissy fit telling us all that you don't like the author.