LSE Professor on The Right Hook

[anewbeginning]

Anyone hear that guy, a Professor from the London School of Economics on the Right Hook?

He read both the EU Constitution and the Lisbon Treaty and said they are 98% the same.

He also said we would only have Legal Guarantees if the other 26 states re-ratified the Treaty with Ireland's Guarantees included as part of the re-ratified Treaty. In other words if it isn't going to be re-ratified then our guarantees are worthless.

Once the Treaty is passed through, there are areas which are called self-reforming or self amending or something like that. In other words the politicians can change the Treaty and not have to ratify it again in future.

Didn't we have a guarantee before from Dick Roche that if we passed Nice, there would be no mass immigration into Ireland. Anyone remember that 'guarantee'.

In essence, the guarantees are worthless and bogus and Cowen knows that full well but is trying to peddle this nonsense that he has secured guarantees. He has done no such thing.

Once the Treaty is voted through, the Eurocrats can do what they like, impose tax harmonisation, etc and we have no legal means to stop it.

If they rowed back before on the guarantee that there would be no mass immigration, which is now causing Irish people difficulty finding jobs, what other guarantees will they row back on.

The real question here is do you trust guarantees from Brian Cowen and FF? Remember Brian Cowen guaranteed us before the 2007 GE that FF were the right party to lead us through the recession. And who guaraunteed us last year we would now be seeing an upturn.

I don't trust any gaurantees from such a man who has rowed back on guarantee after guarantee in the past. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I don't indeed to be fooled twice By Cowen, nor should anyone else.

[mmrebel]

People in the media seem to think the lisbon treaty 2 is a done deal but you hit the nail on the head

The real question here is do you trust gaurantees from Brian Cowen and FF

people just dont trust Cowen and FF .

[CookieMonster]

It's [SIZE="5"]guarantee[/SIZE]

[CookieMonster]

people just dont trust Cowen and FF .

They have every reason not to.

[anewbeginning]

It's [SIZE="5"]guarantee[/SIZE]

Thanks, I always struggle with the spelling of words like that. It's one of my flaws.

[CookieMonster]

Thanks, I always struggle with the spelling of words like that. It's one of my flaws.

It's a battlefield out there, they'll use any weakness to belittle you. I advice caution.

[Catalpa]

Didn't we have a guarantee before from Dick Roche that if we passed Nice, there would be no mass immigration into Ireland. Anyone remember that 'guarantee'.

Here is what he said:

It is a disgraceful xenophobic myth that there will be a threat of a flood of migrant workers coming to Ireland. A wilful effort has been made by the National Platform and the No to Nice Campaign organisation to raise the spectre of a wave of immigrants coming to our shores. This is the worst and most unworthy objection I have heard to the Nice treaty; it is most "un-Irish" and speaks volumes about the level at which some are willing to conduct political debate. It is a shameful and distasteful piece of propaganda.

Xenophobic fears have been raised before. When Ireland was joining the EEC in 1973, the same National Platform warned of foreign skilled workers taking Irish jobs. False fears of mass movements of people at the time of previous enlargements were also raised, but, as we know from the Spanish and Portuguese enlargement, these fears did not materialise. There is no credible reason to believe enlargement will be accompanied by large movements of people. All the evidence points in the opposite direction.

Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs (Mr. Roche); 12th September 2002

[europeasone]

Anyone hear that guy, a Professor from the London School of Economics on the Right Hook?

He read both the EU Constitution and the Lisbon Treaty and said they are 98% the same.

He also said we would only have Legal Guarantees if the other 26 states re-ratified the Treaty with Ireland's Guarantees included as part of the re-ratified Treaty. In other words if it isn't going to be re-ratified then our guarantees are worthless.

Once the Treaty is passed through, there are areas which are called self-reforming or self amending or something like that. In other words the politicians can change the Treaty and not have to ratify it again in future.

Didn't we have a guarantee before from Dick Roche that if we passed Nice, there would be no mass immigration into Ireland. Anyone remember that 'guarantee'.

In essence, the guarantees are worthless and bogus and Cowen knows that full well but is trying to peddle this nonsense that he has secured guarantees. He has done no such thing.

Once the Treaty is voted through, the Eurocrats can do what they like, impose tax harmonisation, etc and we have no legal means to stop it.

If they rowed back before on the guarantee that there would be no mass immigration, which is now causing Irish people difficulty finding jobs, what other guarantees will they row back on.

The real question here is do you trust guarantees from Brian Cowen and FF? Remember Brian Cowen guaranteed us before the 2007 GE that FF were the right party to lead us through the recession. And who guaraunteed us last year we would now be seeing an upturn.

I don't trust any gaurantees from such a man who has rowed back on guarantee after guarantee in the past. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I don't indeed to be fooled twice By Cowen, nor should anyone else.

Yeah, I head this guy. He sounded like he had been drinking.

[Hobo Sapiens]

Yeah, I head this guy. He sounded like he had been drinking.

Anything to smear the No side, despites facts and logic. You really are reaching very low.

Besides, are you trying to get P.ie sued for libel?

[Proposition Joe]

Did George ask the LSE prof whether he remembered a particularly dull student from a few years back, name of Patrick Bartholomew Ahern?

Oh yeah, that would be impossible, seeing de Bert made up his stint at the LSE.