LSE Professor on The Right Hook

[Free to Prosper]

FF and Labour told you to vote Yes to Treaty of Nice
They all told you Nice would not mean mass immigration and job displacement in Ireland.

The people voted Yes to Nice II and we got 500,000 economic migrants from Eastern Europe in Ireland since 2004.

These eurofanatics lied through their teeth and conned the people about effects of Nice.
The EUrofanatics will do the same for Lisbon.
Don't believe them, vote NO.

Quotes on East European immigration.

" There is no reason to believe...... that large numbers of workers will
wish to come"
[ Dick Roche I.T. Letters 12/7/2002 ]

"Mr. XXXX also repeats the line propagated by the No to Nice campaign that
only four countries are to permit immigration after enlargement. This
statement grossly misrepresents the position of the other member states."
[ Dick Roche I.T. Letters Aug/Sept. 2002. ]

" Ireland will be in precisely the same position as all other member states
on the question of free movement following any enlargement of the
Community."
[ Dick Roche - as reported in I.T. xx/09/2002

" It is the view of the Irish government and a number of other governments
that this idea that there is going to be a huge influx of immigrants is just
not supported. The evidence is just not there for it. They are not going to
flood to the west. The same rules are going to apply in all 15 states. There
is no evidence to suggest that the people of the Czech Republic or Poland
are less anxious to stay in their home as (sic) we are.
[ Dick Roche transcript of interview with The Irish Catholic, Govt.
Buildings 19/9/2002. ]

" It is a deliberate misrepresentation to suggest that tens of thousands
will suddenly descend en masse on Ireland." [ P. De Rossa I.T. Letters
20/8/2002 ]

" The expected trickle of immigration to Ireland will on balance benefit the
Irish economy."
[ P. De Rossa I.T. Letters 20/8/2002

" I estimate that fewer than 2,000 [ two thousand] will choose our distant
shores each year."
[ P. De Rossa I.T. Letters 20/8/2002 ]

" There is no evidence there would be a problem with free movement of
workers on accession." [ Bertie Ahern Dail Eireann 10/9/2002 ]

"Efforts have been made to foment fears that migrants from the new member
states could flock to Ireland. This is not only unpleasant but plainly
wrong."
[ Brian Cowan Sunday Business Post 7/7/2002 ]

" Ireland is already benefiting from the skills and energy of workers from
the applicant states, about 7,000 [ seven thousand] of whom received work
permits last year. There is no basis whatever for expecting a huge upsurge
in these numbers."
[ Brian Cowan Sunday Business Post 7/7/2002 ]

" The second myth is that the Nice Treaty will mean mass immigration from
the new EU member countries in Eastern Europe. This is probably the most
odious of the myths propagated by some in the "No" campaign."
[ Willie O'Dea Sunday Independent Summer 2002]

[mollox]

Anyone hear that guy, a Professor from the London School of Economics on the Right Hook?

He read both the EU Constitution and the Lisbon Treaty and said they are 98% the same.

I suspect that you are now talking through your hole, my friend.

I suspect that you are not talking through your hole, my friend.

The two sentences above are 98% identical in content, but their meanings are completely different.

A 2% change in the text of any legal document could represent monumental change in its meaning, or it could make very little difference – depending on the nature of the changes.

So using a metric like this 98% is surely the ultimate in meaningless exercises.

Bloody academics – only good for stirring the ********************.
What was George Hook thinking of? It’s not like we need to import any help in that regard.

[SKELLY]

I suspect that you are now talking through your hole, my friend.

I suspect that you are not talking through your hole, my friend.

The two sentences above are 98% identical in content, but their meanings are completely different.

A 2% change in the text of any legal document could represent monumental change in its meaning, or it could make very little difference – depending on the nature of the changes.

So using a metric like this 98% is surely the ultimate in meaningless exercises.

Bloody academics – only good for stirring the ********************.
What was George Hook thinking of? It’s not like we need to import any help in that regard.

This has to be the most nonsensical post iv ever read on this forum

[anewbeginning]

I suspect that you are now talking through your hole, my friend.

I suspect that you are not talking through your hole, my friend.

The two sentences above are 98% identical in content, but their meanings are completely different.

A 2% change in the text of any legal document could represent monumental change in its meaning, or it could make very little difference – depending on the nature of the changes.

So using a metric like this 98% is surely the ultimate in meaningless exercises.

Bloody academics – only good for stirring the ********************.
What was George Hook thinking of? It’s not like we need to import any help in that regard.

Ok let me put it this way, 98% of the legislation, rules, laws, enactments, amendments, commandments, etc are the same as in the Constitution.

This is not a case of the people agreeing laws between them. This is a case of politicians imposing laws on the people without any proper opposition to them.

[Free to Prosper]

The 2 percent difference is simple.

Treaty of Lisbon = EU Constitution - (EU flag and anthem).

98% = 100% - 2%.

Easy! Lisbon is the same ol' sh1te

[mollox]

This has to be the most nonsensical post iv ever read on this forum

Stick around for a few months more, you'll be amazed at what you might read.
You might even learn how to spell in the process!

[mollox]

Ok let me put it this way, 98% of the legislation, rules, laws, enactments, amendments, commandments, etc are the same as in the Constitution.

This is not a case of the people agreeing laws between them. This is a case of politicians imposing laws on the people without any proper opposition to them.

I think you're talking through your arse on that one.
They're elected politicians - in case you haven't noticed.
What exactly do you think we elect them for?
Just because you happen to disagree with certain decisions taken, doesn't make it undemocratic in any way.
If you don't like it, feck off to Iran.

[europeasone]

Anything to smear the No side, despites facts and logic. You really are reaching very low.

Besides, are you trying to get P.ie sued for libel?

No seriously, I personally thought the guy sounded like he had a few drinks on him...could of just been the way he spoke though...

[anewbeginning]

I think you're talking through your arse on that one.
They're elected politicians - in case you haven't noticed.
What exactly do you think we elect them for?
Just because you happen to disagree with certain decisions taken, doesn't make it undemocratic in any way.
If you don't like it, feck off to Iran.

It takes one to know one as they say and clearly you are an expert on spotting one although you have it wrong this time.

That aside, you agree with me its 98% the same as the Constitution.

A constitution imposed on people by parliamentarians has all the hallmarks of a dictatorship.

Hitler was democratically elected, although not having an overall majority.

Does that mean the German people approved of the Holocaust or voted for it?

You need checks and balances, its the sign of a healthy democracy and referenda on important matters such as a new Constitution is a vital check and balance to the powers of politicians.

Politicians in this country and every country in Europe have a history of enacting laws and policies which benefit rich supporters and financiars and of taking backhanders in return. So they only have themselves to blame when the people are sceptical about anything they are in favour of enacting.

The vast majority of politicians in Ireland and elsewhere are no more intelligent than the rest of us. They are teachers, etc, so they are not super intelligent but of average intelligence. They don't know any better than the rest what is good for Ireland.

Anyone who is against referenda on such matters as new Constitutions are not democrats.