Lisbon postcard to be sent to households: Martin

[petronius]

No referendum commission
No National Forum on Europe open to debate the issues
No Changes to the Treaty -
They wont send us the Treaty, they wont send us the anticipated wording of the protocol which could make the commitments in the EU Member states heads last week!

The best the bright minds in government can do is to send us all a postcard?

and get some celebrities to endorse the treaty and ah sure they will vote yes then...

[CookieMonster]

Precisely which part of the Vienna Convention do you not understand?

Best. P.ie. Question. EVER!

[Celtic Raven]

FamilyGuy: They are not. What I got in the door from them had lies about legal guarantees which dont exist.

So you are correct, the legal advice of the EU is wrong, the 27 sovereign countries' legal advices are wrong, plus the 1969 UN Vienna Convention is also wrong?

Whatever mind warping drugs you are on, are certainly working.

He is correct actually. The postcard had lies about neutrality and enthuasia in it. (And abortion if you consider that "Ireland" extends to the six counties.)

[Utopian Hermit Monk]

No, no, no. This...

Or this?




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[myksav]

No, and they won't be, either - but they will be added to exactly the same treaties as Lisbon will be added to. They're legally binding, and they will be enacted if Lisbon is passed, so you're voting on the entire package. You either vote Yes to the Lisbon-plus-guarantees-plus-Commissioner package, or you vote No to that package.

As a country, we've never voted on Lisbon itself, only on the amendments necessary to allow the government to ratify it, so I'm not sure why this totemic insistence on things being in the text of Lisbon - surely not a stalling/FUD tactic?

Will that be on the ballot paper?

None of the "reasons" used to drum up the "guarantees" had any bearing on my initial No vote, and seeing as the Treaty hasn't changed one iota, the second vote will also be No.

The phrase "voting on Lisbon" is a convention that is used by most, specially by politicians, seeing as "voting in a referendum to change the Irish Constitution to allow the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty" is a bit cumbersome.

[ibis]

Will that be on the ballot paper?

None of the "reasons" used to drum up the "guarantees" had any bearing on my initial No vote, and seeing as the Treaty hasn't changed one iota, the second vote will also be No.

Which is fair enough. I'm only bothered by the hysterical insistence that 26 countries are engaged in publicly blowing their reputations out of the water on the off-chance they might fool patriotic No voters into a moment's insanity. Some people need to remember that the centre of the Universe is a good way distant from here.

The phrase "voting on Lisbon" is a convention that is used by most, specially by politicians, seeing as "voting in a referendum to change the Irish Constitution to allow the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty" is a bit cumbersome.

Ah well, politicians. Shouldn't really be allowed anything more complex than a toaster, really, and I'm only allowing them that in the hopes they might poke it with a knife.

[myksav]

Which is fair enough. I'm only bothered by the hysterical insistence that 26 countries are engaged in publicly blowing their reputations out of the water on the off-chance they might fool patriotic No voters into a moment's insanity. Some people need to remember that the centre of the Universe is a good way distant from here.



Ah well, politicians. Shouldn't really be allowed anything more complex than a toaster, really, and I'm only allowing them that in the hopes they might poke it with a knife.

I have an old but working toaster, should I send it to them? Will even supply a knife with it. A butter knife for "safety", they might cut themselves.

[ibis]

I have an old but working toaster, should I send it to them? Will even supply a knife with it. A butter knife for "safety", they might cut themselves.

As long as it's all metal. Before you send the toaster, put something like half a scone in and get it jammed...

[chancellor]

i got that already, same ol'

[IrishTom]

Why would they have anything from the No side on it? FF are utilising their own funds to push their own message. There is nothing wrong with that.

there own funds, or the tax payers funds.