An Taoiseach Brian Cowen TD says it all

[Ah Well]

An interview with An Taoiseach Brian Cowen was replayed on Sunday 21st June 2009 on the RTE Radio 1 "This Week" Programme and Mr. Cowen stated the following;

“We have an Agreement from our Colleagues that should we ratify the Lisbon Treaty there will be a subsequent Protocol at the next Accession Treaty when the European Union enlarges further which will give full Treaty Status to what has been achieved last Friday”

The full Interview can be heard here -> RTÉ.ie Media Player: This Week 21 June 2009

Let's get down to detail here:

Last Friday 19/6/09 "Guarantees" were secured by an entity aka FF on behalf of the Irish people re Lisbon and all that.

And we the Irish people are being requested to vote Yes in October .. cher now we have "Guarantees" and tis all hunky dory kinda thing

But look again at the above very words by Mr. Cowen ... should we ratify the Lisbon Treaty there will be a subsequent Protocol at the next Accession Treaty when the European Union enlarges further which will give full Treaty Status to what has been achieved last Friday

maybe I'm missing something here .... but does this not entail there being a further Accession Treaty ... for such a Protocol to give full Treaty Status to what was achieved "last Friday" -> the "Guarantees"

When IS the next Accession Treaty due then????? As far as I know there's none lined up to take pride of place as being a done deal as of now. Plenty negotiations, side stepping and all that -> Croatia, Turkey, Montenegro ... the list is endless

Unless I've lost the grasp of understanding written English .. there you have it ... we are being asked to vote Yes for Lisbon MkII and the "Guarantees" are dependent upon an Accession Treaty occurring and as of now there are none confirmed or even a reasonable dateline.

Vote Yes for sometime, possibly, maybe, perhaps, depending on whenever

[seenitallb4]

Or to look at it this way, the legal status of what was sold to us depends on a decision on an entirely different treaty.

[Ah Well]

Or to look at it this way, the legal status of what was sold to us depends on a decision on an entirely different treaty.

Hmmmmm yep ..... Vote Yes in Oct 2009 to copperfasten a "fudge" and a hopeful subsequent event will allow things to proceed on

This is nothing short of disgraceful and amply shows up the "shove Lisbon MkII thru regardless Gang"

[FutureTaoiseach]

It's shocking that our govt would consent to this. We are not even getting a Protocol - only the promise of one at the next Enlargement, which could be years away. In other words, we get nothing for years, and in that interval, our taxation-system can be meddled with by the ECJ. The only answer can be no.

[Oblivion]

We are sleep-walking into an unaccountable, unstoppable dictatorship. The Euro-zealots know their hour is approaching; October is their moment to finally conclude the Lisbon power grab, once and for all. They believe that, this time, they'll get what they've always wanted.

Christ, I hope they're wrong.

If the Lisbon C.o.n.s.t.i.t.u.t.i.o.n gets ratified, as a result of an Irish Yes, it will be one of the most shameful episodes in the history of the EU and a tragedy for Irish democracy.

I still believe there are enough of us with the wits and intelligence to stop this cancerous juggernaut. I have not yet lost all hope for a free and democratic EU. That's why I will vote NO once more.

[hiding behind a poster]

It's shocking that our govt would consent to this. We are not even getting a Protocol - only the promise of one at the next Enlargement, which could be years away. In other words, we get nothing for years, and in that interval, our taxation-system can be meddled with by the ECJ.

No it cannot, you liar. You might as well just make things up now, the way you're going. Go on, stuff like "under Lisbon, the ECJ can change the country's name" or, "under Lisbon, the ECJ can clearly order us all to make Mongolian our first language".

They'd be about as plausible as the rest of the nonsense you're peddling.

[hiding behind a poster]

We are sleep-walking into an unaccountable, unstoppable dictatorship. The Euro-zealots know their hour is approaching; October is their moment to finally conclude the Lisbon power grab, once and for all. They believe that, this time, they'll get what they've always wanted.

Christ, I hope they're wrong.

If the Lisbon C.o.n.s.t.i.t.u.t.i.o.n gets ratified, as a result of an Irish Yes, it will be one of the most shameful episodes in the history of the EU and a tragedy for Irish democracy.

I still believe there are enough of us with the wits and intelligence to stop this cancerous juggernaut. I have not yet lost all hope for a free and democratic EU. That's why I will vote NO once more.

You do understand what a dictatorship actually IS, don't you? Presuming you do, is there any chance you'd quote the rest of us the bits of the Lisbon Treaty that establish a dictatorship? We'd all love to know.

[FutureTaoiseach]

No it cannot, you liar. You might as well just make things up now, the way you're going. Go on, stuff like "under Lisbon, the ECJ can change the country's name" or, "under Lisbon, the ECJ can clearly order us all to make Mongolian our first language".They'd be about as plausible as the rest of the nonsense you're peddling.

Well if the promises are not going to be part of EU law for years, then it follows that the ECJ doesn't have to pay any heed to them in that interval. This is just another Fianna Fáil promise, deserving of the same credibility as the rest, to be discarded like the others.

[atlantic]

Well you know what they say, when a politicians mouth is moving he's telling pork pies.
Absolute tripe and scutter.

An interview with An Taoiseach Brian Cowen was replayed on Sunday 21st June 2009 on the RTE Radio 1 "This Week" Programme and Mr. Cowen stated the following;

“We have an Agreement from our Colleagues that should we ratify the Lisbon Treaty there will be a subsequent Protocol at the next Accession Treaty when the European Union enlarges further which will give full Treaty Status to what has been achieved last Friday”

The full Interview can be heard here -> RTÉ.ie Media Player: This Week 21 June 2009

Let's get down to detail here:

Last Friday 19/6/09 "Guarantees" were secured by an entity aka FF on behalf of the Irish people re Lisbon and all that.

And we the Irish people are being requested to vote Yes in October .. cher now we have "Guarantees" and tis all hunky dory kinda thing

But look again at the above very words by Mr. Cowen ... should we ratify the Lisbon Treaty there will be a subsequent Protocol at the next Accession Treaty when the European Union enlarges further which will give full Treaty Status to what has been achieved last Friday

maybe I'm missing something here .... but does this not entail there being a further Accession Treaty ... for such a Protocol to give full Treaty Status to what was achieved "last Friday" -> the "Guarantees"

When IS the next Accession Treaty due then????? As far as I know there's none lined up to take pride of place as being a done deal as of now. Plenty negotiations, side stepping and all that -> Croatia, Turkey, Montenegro ... the list is endless

Unless I've lost the grasp of understanding written English .. there you have it ... we are being asked to vote Yes for Lisbon MkII and the "Guarantees" are dependent upon an Accession Treaty occurring and as of now there are none confirmed or even a reasonable dateline.

Vote Yes for sometime, possibly, maybe, perhaps, depending on whenever

[Ah Well]

HBAP ....

From the mouth of the Man Mr. Cowen himself;

“We have an Agreement from our Colleagues that should we ratify the Lisbon Treaty there will be a subsequent Protocol at the next Accession Treaty when the European Union enlarges further which will give full Treaty Status to what has been achieved"

WHEN will the next Accession Treaty occur? How long in that case before the "Guarantees" come into their "rightful place"?

Answer -> No one knows

Oct 2009: A hoped Yes Vote for uncertainty

What a farce