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About LinkBacksTypical yes campaign style. We don't understand the treaty (and its probably full of regrettable nonsense anyway) so we'll use totty to sell it.Originally Posted by hopi watcher
Are liberals supported by Berlusconi?!
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Typical yes campaign style. We don't understand the treaty (and its probably full of regrettable nonsense anyway) so we'll use totty to sell it.
Are liberals supported by Berlusconi?!
Do not surrender the sovereignty generations of Irish people fought and died for.
I'm voting yes
This ad says a number of things.
If you're a man: It asks are you a heterosexual? If you are, you will sexually desire us in this image and you will now have a positive association with Lisbon becuase Lisbon is a word which sounds like Lesbian.
Marketing is smoke a mirrors.
For women: it says if you want to be sexually attractive to men you should be a Yes voter and encourage your friends to vote yes too. In this image we hang out together.
More importantly, the word CHOICE in this ad is associated with the "Right to Choose". So if you are in favour of abortion generally, (or advocate the right to choose whatever) you will be motivated to vote yes.
This ad is about pushing buttons and is a subtle way of igniting or reminding the -yes to abortion- portion of society.
The next phase of these ads will be to make these females more sexually alluring. Therefore they will be more scantily clad as the campaign goes on.
Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But Conscience asks the question - is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;but one must take it simply because it is right. -MLK
It's not Lisbon II it's still Lisbon I just more bullying this time.
I think there are actually more pro yes views on this site than there are in the public at large because people are able to express there views whereas when you read the papers or watch rte the views of the public are spun out of all context.
I will again vote no. I have to laugh at the nonsense given for the reasons for the last no and not a mention on mass immigration. They say people did not understand the treaty, who realy does, but what people do experience and understand is that in every where they turn there there are foreign voices, in every shop there are foreign faces, in the centre of O Connell street there are more non irish than irish. irish people are emigrating and yet there are thousands of non irish entering the country, people understand this.
The government are not telling the truth and not debating all the issues, they talk about jobs, is it not true that 9 out of evry 10 jobs last year was taken by a non irish person, this is because of europe and the reality is that when the government says the jobless figure is 400K that is true if you talk about ireland as a independent country but if you talk about ireland as a memeber of ther EU under the existing conditions the true jobless figure is in the 100s of millions because every jobless person in eastern europe is entitled to a job here and last years figures shows they are taking adavntage of that. I dont think this is sustainable and dont think it is what the vast majority of the irirsh people want and so I will vote NO NO NO. And if the government told the truth about the extent of immigration in this country becaus eof EU policies there would be a much bigger no than there is going to be.
Voted Yes the last time, campaigned and canvassed for a yes the last time.
The guarantees mean nothing - the main reasons people voted no the last time weren't in the treaty anyway - so apart from the commissioner issue - which is small potatoes anyway and shows how utterly backward and clientalist our own democracy is that we feel the need to have "one of our own" as commissioner for unicycles or whatever else is on offer - no one thing has changed - this is designed purely as cover for Fianna Fail and the greens over the total arse they made of the first referendum on this issue.
will be voting No as this is the same treaty being rerun again as they have no mandate - the country has already said no - that must be respected - in that if they want to rerun it by us again - well they better get a mandate for that rerun - as in the case of Nice - that means a general election.
Lisbon is a good treaty - but its not life or death to have it passed or not -the world will keep turning - our democracy is more important and I know Im far from alone within the FG family in having this opinion.
BTW - anybody who accuses me of playing politics over the issue - you're dead right - everything in life is political and this issue is no different - how can you seriously expect me and many of my colleagues to go out and try and convince a skeptical public than Brian Cowen knows what he is doing here when he plainly is clueless on the most basic things - are you for f--kin real?
Lol. Surely you mean are the Liberals serviced by Berlusconi
I note the liberals in their own thread make the point (under Who We Are) that "Government derives its power from the people under the constitution which document should require a true separation of powers to ensure a proper system of checks and balances designed to uphold the rights and interests of the whole of society and not to the advantage of local and vested interest."I'm voting yes
That's the very Consitution they want you to vote into oblivion by Voting YES to Lisbon, and make it subordinate to EU law.
It took me about 5 seconds after I became aware of your existence - why do you ask?Oh wow... They found out that Dr Qasim Afridi does nt believe in Democracy...
What took you so long Mr Dotski?
The fact that you are against democracy makes your point rather stupid, if you are against people having the vote, your opinion of whether Irish people can have a second vote in our country on our constitution is pointless.
And, it has to be said, if you are going around arguing that democracy is terrible, why would you choose to live in the Godless west? And who are you to tell Irish people that they shouldn't participate in our democracy?
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I agree - Nothing has changed. If FF made a 'solemn declaration' on anything, they would burst into flames. They can't be trusted and as my father once pointed out: You can trust a thief but never a liar.
I'm voting [SIZE="7"]NO[/SIZE] just because FF gangsters are advising YES - Hang em High......and I don't think I'm entirely alone in this somewhat ignorant and myopic view.
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