Lisbon 2 - how will you vote?

[Fergalino]

Most intelligent rebuttal I have seen so far. But here is where you are wrong: The Irish public voted No on the first referendum mainly because they did not "understand" what they where voting for! (Ignorance is the state in which one lacks knowledge, is unaware of something or chooses to subjectively ignore information) - in this case, the Irish public lacked the knowledge required to make an educated vote - Ignorance. Now, if we agree that the above is correct, then voting No and stalling the progress of Federal Europe based on ignorance must be considered disruptive behaviour. I am against scaremongering as a means of persuasion but I do feel the need to disclose the full meaning of this treaty along with the negative economic impact a second ignorant No vote will have to Ireland.

Who do you think you're fooling? You clearly are a person with an agenda to discredit yes campaigners by spreading idiotic mistruths about the EU. You really must think people are completely stupid not to cop on to you. Troll alert.

[mroche4]

NO! regardless what my party members may think. I can make my own mind up on this and no person or party can tell me otherwise. Same Treaty, and the same vote from me.

[europeasone]

Who do you think you're fooling? You clearly are a person with an agenda to discredit yes campaigners by spreading idiotic mistruths about the EU. You really must think people are completely stupid not to cop on to you. Troll alert.

Fergalino, this is exactly my point - I am trying to AVOID people being fooled - so in answer to your question - hopefully nobody. My agenda is to fully disclose all aspects of the Treaty of Lisbon and educate the Irish public as to what they are actually voting on - ultimately achieving a Yes vote, but not by propaganda, disinformation or any other tricks of the trade being used so often by both sides. Can you please advice on what specific "idiotic mistruths about the EU" you claim I have posted here? - You cannot simply accuse somebody of that without backing it up with facts???? I hope people can see past the attempt to discredit me by a few forum members by calling me a troll and a paid government something or other - all because I cut a little too close to the bone and tell the truth!

[finnegag]

Paddy Power will publish new odds shortly which will allow punters to bet on the % of votes the Yes side of the Lisbon referendum will get. Judging by the prices quoted, they are leaning towards a Yes vote of between 60% and 65% - at a price of 6/4.

The bookies got it wrong last time but it's still interesting to see how they read it at the moment...

See here for details: Finnegan’s Take Blog Archive Bookies backing Lisbon - but fear fickle electorate

[Goldfinger]

A No from me,and my other half. I fail to see what good this treaty does for us, and the increasingly shrill pleas from business people in particular ring so hollow after the rubbish we've seen in the past year.

I read it, and I understood most of it from early on. Those guarantees are laughable, and if you voted No before, you will in no way be placated by them. They are like stone pillars on a bed of quicksand.

Anyways,regardless of what happens, the next treaty is being dreamt up in the smoke filled rooms of Brussels, more federalist clap trap no doubt. And we will not be getting a vote on that one.

Ode to Joy anyone?

[netron]

because of EU economic policy , there are now nearly 500,000 unemployed in Ireland.

you cant avoid the matter - the EU , and specifically the ECB caused the meltdown.

try answering that Yes camp.

[europeasone]

because of EU economic policy , there are now nearly 500,000 unemployed in Ireland.

you cant avoid the matter - the EU , and specifically the ECB caused the meltdown.

try answering that Yes camp.

You cannot be serious? Please tell me you are taking the piss here....The reason for a 500k unemployment stat in Ireland is because we lack the urgency in pushing forward with Federal Europe...we are set in our old ways......afraid of the future...afraid of a Federal Europe....afraid, afraid, afraid.....We are currently considered a "sovereign" nation, so everything up to this point is our own fault. Lets vote Yes, join the new Federal Europe, see where it take our economy and then come back to this silly statement....FFS

[He3]

All aboard the Federal Express with EuropeAsOne.

He'll take you places.

[bogtrotter]

NO...Same as the last vote on Lisbon...nothing has changed so why should I change my vote...We the people have already made our decision on Lisbon....We made our decision............accept it

[ActuallyYourWrong]

A No from me,and my other half. I fail to see what good this treaty does for us, and the increasingly shrill pleas from business people in particular ring so hollow after the rubbish we've seen in the past year.

I read it, and I understood most of it from early on. Those guarantees are laughable, and if you voted No before, you will in no way be placated by them. They are like stone pillars on a bed of quicksand.

Anyways,regardless of what happens, the next treaty is being dreamt up in the smoke filled rooms of Brussels, more federalist clap trap no doubt. And we will not be getting a vote on that one.

Ode to Joy anyone?

unless you are David Cochrane.