Lisbon 2 - how will you vote?

[dotski_w_]

For the record you can find it here:
http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/Refer...ingEnglish.pdf

Are you in favour of us leaving the EU altogether?

If so, fair enough. If not, I'd like to see how you'd re-word that in a way that was consistent with membership.

[Dr Qasim Afridi]

Ah yes... Lisbon 2...

I remember last year when the Irish were called to vote on Lisbon it was obvious that people were going to vote a big NO... The interesting thing was that the political parties/government were in favor of Lisbon... So I thought... Oh well it wont be long till we have a Lisbon 2... After all its a democracy and the rulers just have to keep pushing until they get what they want...

Dont be surprised... this has happened before... and guess what... they will get what they want ultimately... Time to sing some songs about freedom and democracy!!!! Woo Hoo

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"...the Anti Christ appears to have greater dominion than they deserve, acquired through great oppression and great cruelty and great violence and brutality..."

[garlandgreen]

Ah yes... Lisbon 2...

I remember last year when the Irish were called to vote on Lisbon it was obvious that people were going to vote a big NO... The interesting thing was that the political parties/government were in favor of Lisbon... So I thought... Oh well it wont be long till we have a Lisbon 2... After all its a democracy and the rulers just have to keep pushing until they get what they want...

Dont be surprised... this has happened before... and guess what... they will get what they want ultimately... Time to sing some songs about freedom and democracy!!!! Woo Hoo

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"...the Anti Christ appears to have greater dominion than they deserve, acquired through great oppression and great cruelty and great violence and brutality..."

Two more times than you'd ever get to vote on it in some places. I always found it a strange argument that holding a referendum on something is anti-democratic even a second one.

[dotski_w_]

Ah yes... Lisbon 2...

I remember last year when the Irish were called to vote on Lisbon it was obvious that people were going to vote a big NO... The interesting thing was that the political parties/government were in favor of Lisbon... So I thought... Oh well it wont be long till we have a Lisbon 2... After all its a democracy and the rulers just have to keep pushing until they get what they want...

How undemocratic to have a second vote, eh? I'd say you support a model that's much more democratic.

Was it you who posted this, by the way?
Muslim Community Lobby Ireland ???? ??????? ????????? ?? ???????: Nov 6, 2008

3 Astughfirullah...Brothers voting in a democracy is completely Haram... Democracy in itself is a system of Kufr that allows man to make laws that can be against God's Law and elected representatives make laws based upon their own mind and/or majority opinion... I would advise all muslims to refrain from voting in any election be it local or general... and before anyone of you goes haywire over this I am willing and capable to discuss this issue with any of you in the most polite and well mannered way... I am saying this to tread on side of caution since I have seen that at times people speak in a very uncivilized manner when it comes down to certain things they passionately believe in...Masalama

Dr Qasim Afridi

[dotski_w_]

Two more times than you'd ever get to vote on it in some places. I always found it a strange argument that holding a referendum on something is anti-democratic even a second one.

If it was anti-democratic he'd probably be in favour of it.....

[hiding behind a poster]

I also believe that we would not have experienced the catastrophic property bubble if we were not part of the Euro and had retained our independence to set interest rates. We can put all the blame on developers and bankers if we want but they play on the field that is put in front of them.

We had lost the power to set our own interest rates long before we joined the Euro. Fact is that in order to be able to control interest rates, you need to be able to back your decisions with cold hard cash - so that if the markets disagree with the rate you've set, you can override their opinion. And it was conclusively proved in the 1992/93 devaluation that we are too small to do that. We jacked interest rates up again and again in a doomed attempt to preserve that value of the currency - but the markets saw the value we were ascribing as inappropriate, and forced us to back down.

Look at how Britain is so much more in control of its interests than we are. We made a political decision to join the Euro, they made an economic decision not to join.

You used the key word yourself there - control. Britain has the financial muscle to control its currency, hence they don't wish to share that control with anyone. We haven't the financial muscle to control our currency, so we made an economic and political decision to join the Euro.

[garlandgreen]

Oh and Yes to Lisbon! Bunch of closet spucs making a mountain out of a molehill

[Dr Qasim Afridi]

Oh wow... They found out that Dr Qasim Afridi does nt believe in Democracy...

What took you so long Mr Dotski?

[slartibartfast]

Are you in favour of us leaving the EU altogether?

If so, fair enough. If not, I'd like to see how you'd re-word that in a way that was consistent with membership.

No I'm in favour of the status quo, and do not want any more sovereignty handed to a central european government. I think a trading partnership has slowly turned into a political union without the ramifications of same being debated until now.

Like most people I am in favour of the european project but to a point.
I doubt few of the YES campaign would want to dissolve Dail Eireann and leave all lawmaking to the EU (or would they?) so I maintain all we are differing on is where to draw the line.

[tompatrick]

I will Vote No again - we defeate the abortionists once and we will defeat them again