Lisbon 2 - how will you vote?

[edifice.]

This government is a disaster, no doubt about that. People need to vote on the issues, the Goverment's handling of our economy has little to do with the Lisbon Treaty.

If people can't be trusted to decide on the issues then there's a good argument that these decisions should be made by national parliments which has happened in many other EU countries. Afterall we elect parliments to make all sorts of decisions.

And why should we trust them to handle the Treaty any better?

We also elect them to respect the decisions we make for them.

[anewbeginning]

This government is a disaster, no doubt about that. People need to vote on the issues, the Goverment's handling of our economy has little to do with the Lisbon Treaty.

If people can't be trusted to decide on the issues then there's a good argument that these decisions should be made by national parliments which has happened in many other EU countries. Afterall we elect parliments to make all sorts of decisions.

As has been said many times on this site by posters and elsewhere, the decision to wind up Gratten's Parliament in 1801 was made by Irish Parliamentarians, most of them bribed by the British Government and who were promised all sorts of treats and nice jobs if they joined the House of Commons, the gravy train of it's day.

Parliamentarians, tempted by possible future career improvement, are not always the best people to pass judgement on these issues.

I would trust the people to be more impartial than the parliamentarians. There are no doubt many jobs in Europe for good European Parliamentarians. John Bruton, Alan Dukes, P. Flynn, McCreevy, Sutherland, etc have all been well rewarded in Europe for being good Europeans.

[Lefronde]

[quote=wysiwyg;1795831]Nice poster.. if totally vacuous... couldn't you have found at least one good looking guy and chased after the homosexual vote as well ?[quote]

Why not? The Liberals have a great mix of members:

What is it with people trying to equate politics and sex ????

The choice is liberal

This is reminiscent of the YFG campaign during the first Lisbon referendum

No, I disagree it is very different to YFG, here's an example of theirs, the Liberal Poster is far more tasteful.

And who are the Liberals in Ireland.. is this a new party ? The home page is asking me to join, but not telling me what I am joining.. whats the deal with that

Not a party, its a public advocacy group that promotes liberal issues and progressive values.

Ps.. I'm considering voting Yes in the upcoming referendum.. can I be the Liberals spokesperson in Tipperary ?

why not? you should email them!

[anewbeginning]

When were the Irish people asked if we wanted mass immigration?

It was signed away and ratified by the Dail without the people being asked about it or a proper debate on the issue.

That's just one instance of how the Irish people have not being consulted on a major issue.

And Cowen was central to that issue. The man is not fit to lead the Lisbon campaign. When he goes, then many people may view Lisbon differently.

[FutureTaoiseach]

This government is a disaster, no doubt about that. People need to vote on the issues, the Goverment's handling of our economy has little to do with the Lisbon Treaty.

If people can't be trusted to decide on the issues then there's a good argument that these decisions should be made by national parliments which has happened in many other EU countries. Afterall we elect parliments to make all sorts of decisions.

No we don't. If we did, we wouldn't have the referendum-provision in our constitution as a precondition for amending it. It's there to protect us from treachery by our politicians selling out our sovereignty like in 1800. This idea that we are a representative-democracy alone is untrue. We are also a direct-democracy since 1937. And if we ever cease to be, you'll see the Irish govt behaving like the French and Dutch govts in ignoring referendum results and ploughing on regardless. Remember this: you can't trust politicians. Your post, suggesting that the plain people of Ireland "can't be trusted" to make these decisions epitomises the elitism of the EU which refuses to accept no for an answer.

[TommyO'Brien]

Absolutely Yes.

And I will be campaigning for a yes starting next weekend.

[Ah Well]

I will be campaigning for a yes starting next weekend.

Lovely job ... on polar opposites with campaigning intentions then

[Fraxinus]

Down with this sort of thing...Careful now! NO!

[X-ray]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADbTCSuNSms]YouTube - Cowen's Downfall[/ame]

[Oblivion]

The absolutly despicable reaction to our first vote would be reason enough to vote No, the contempt with which our vote was received, I needn't recite all the quotes from Barroso and various MEPs, shows that the current direction and condition of the EU needs a major re-assessment, and voting on the exact same treaty which is itself a rehash of a twice rejected constitution and was developed to by-pass any more referendums, is not the way to do that, how many times are they going to reheat the same meal before they realize it's gone stale?

Totally agree.

If we want a free and democratic EU, we must vote NO ( again ) to this shameless, disgusting power grab.

We weren't fooled by those anti-democratic b*stards the first time around. This time it'll be an even louder NO.

And when David Cameron gives the Brits a chance to vote, they too, will answer NO to the Lisbon CONSTITUTION.