Lisbon 2 - how will you vote?

[lapsedmethodist]

No, you tool, I'm saying that I said NO and I meant it. And I implore everyone who said NO last time to say No again, and to not allow yourself to be pressured or bullied.

To you, and all other YES to Lisbon whores - Stop putting words in my mouth. I know exactly why I voted NO. And its not for the reasons you're telling me I did.

Exactly my point. No reasons given. But it gave you a wet spot, didn't it.

And thanks to other, sane people, you're in line for another one.

[keepitreal]

Most of the people voted no the last time because:

1. They did not understand the treaty (which is why it should have never been put to a referendum) and.
2. They listened to the sh1te the crowds you have listed above were spouting.

And many of the people who voted NO the last time may disregard the loons on both the NO side and the YES side this time round and vote NO, as well as some previous Yes voters....... why?

Because the EU and our sell out, treasonous, so called government are ignoring the will of the majority of the Irish people who voted against this sale of everything their ancestors fought for. (June 2008 = NO to Lisbon, as voiced by the Irish people)

Anyone who has any sense will vote NO and keep voting NO until the EU dictators get the message.

Oh, and I'm voting No as well.

[petervalhala]

My problem is not with those who hold views different to mine, it is a fact that those who are anti-Lisbon are totally over represented on this site. One has only to look at the outcome of the local election vote in P.ie and compare it to the actual result!

Excellent point, was just about to post something similar when I saw your message.

Regrettably just proves how unrepresentative p.ie has become, facts speak for themselves when you look at the local election poll here vs actual result.

FF 8.4% vs 25.4%
FG 25.8% vs 32.2%
GP 3.7% vs 2.3%
Ind 5.4% vs 18.0%
Lab 15.9% vs 14.7%
SF 30.0% vs 7.4%

FF support under estimated by 17%
FG support under estimated by 6.4%
SF support over estimated by a massive 22.6% which is nearly the same amount FF/FG were underestimated by (23.4%)

We can therefore expect this poll on Lisbon to be just as accurate

If any polling company got the results so wrong they would be out of business.

[garlandgreen]

And many of the people who voted NO the last time may disregard the loons on both the NO side and the YES side this time round and vote NO, as well as some previous Yes voters....... why?

Because the EU and our sell out, treasonous, so called government are ignoring the will of the majority of the Irish people who voted against this sale of everything their ancestors fought for. (June 2008 = NO to Lisbon, as voiced by the Irish people)

Anyone who has any sense will vote NO and keep voting NO until the EU dictators get the message.

Don'y you have email

Oh, and I'm voting No as well.

Nooooooo?

[petervalhala]

Do not surrender the sovereignty generations of Irish people fought and died for.

Do not dishonour the generations of Irish people who fought and died for this country, vote YES for continued prosperty, continued postive development and a more democratic EU.

[petervalhala]

I'm voting NO just because FF gangsters are advising YES - Hang em High......and I don't think I'm entirely alone in this somewhat ignorant and myopic view.

So you're not voting on the merits of Lisbon itself, and you are ignoring the fact that all democratic political parties support Lisbon. Only SF cynically oppose it, and SF/IRA weren't real gangsters ?

[Malbekh]

In short, no.

In long, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

In the name of democracy.

[lapsedmethodist]

Do not dishonour the generations of Irish people who fought and died for this country, vote YES for continued prosperty, continued postive development and a more democratic EU.

One of the reasons for voting YES is to move beyond the dead generations stuff.

And you're " continued prosperity " came about because Albert Reynolds pulled so many BILLIONS from the EU that there was enough left over from the kleptocrats in Irish government to kick-start prosperity.

And how the hell are you going to judge whether or not , or when, the EU suddenly becomes
" more democratic " ? Immersed in Croatian, German, Danish, politics are you? Are you sure the Irish tail is going to be allowed to wag the EU dog ?

[garlandgreen]

In short, no.

In long, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

In the name of democracy.

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[petervalhala]

One of the reasons for voting YES is to move beyond the dead generations stuff.

I agree, I was merely putting forward a positive view of FT's negative spin.

And you're " continued prosperity " came about because Albert Reynolds pulled so many BILLIONS from the EU that there was enough left over from the kleptocrats in Irish government to kick-start prosperity.

Nothing to do with that, we are a small, open economy dependent on exports, therefore we need the EU markets to develop our economy.

And how the hell are you going to judge whether or not , or when, the EU suddenly becomes " more democratic " ? Immersed in Croatian, German, Danish, politics are you? Are you sure the Irish tail is going to be allowed to wag the EU dog ?

Again simple logic in that Lisbon gives additional powers to the European Parliment, and its MEPs are directly elected by the people of Europe. Plus if you knew anything about the way the EU works, you would understand that decisions made based on successful networking and negotations, not on pure mathematical representation.