"EU" attitude to Iran Elections justification for a Lisbon No.

[Destiny's Soldier]

News headlines yesterday on RTE went:

the result of the Iranian elections was critcized by the "EU & Israel".

The EU didn't have monitors inside Iran, so how in Gods name could anyone purporting to represent the EU's 27 states assess within a few hours that the election outcome was the result of malfeasance.

I reject being packaged into a response that was clearly premature. I reject anyone such as Xavier Solana speaking on my behalf based on falsehood.


The elections may or may not have been rigged. If they were they would have been no different to what happened in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

What do Michael Ledeen (the American 'neo-conservative'), Mir-Hossein Mousavi (the Iranian presidential candidate of 'chagne') and Adnan Khashoggi (the opulent Saudi Arabian jet-setter) have in common?

They are all good friends and associates of Manuchehr Ghorbanifar (an Iranian arms merchant, an alleged MOSSAD double agent, and a key figure in the Iran/Contra Affair, the arms-for-hostages deals between Iran and the Reagan administration). In one or two, at most three, degrees of separation, these people hung out in the same circles and very likely drank to the same toasts.

Revolutionary Flowerpot Society: Mir-Hossein Mousavi's Iran/Contra Connection?


Did the EU critcize the US and Israel for openly admitting they are currently carrying out destabilising operations, terror attacks and outright assassinations inside Iran?

Absolutely not. For this double standard. For this duplicitous behaviour, Ireland should have no truck with an unelected Foreign minister for Europe who will not represent our opinions not to mind our interests.

I am not a fan of Iran in any way. But I respect their borders and their right to conduct their own affairs free from external threats veiled or otherwise.

[cactusflower]

Thank you for that post. It needed to be said. Even Hilary Clinton didn't go that far - she said that "she hoped the result reflected the wishes of the people".

So do we all. There should be an answer from the EU on how this happened and a retraction.

Perhaps Joe Higgins might ask the question.

[evercloserunion]

Come on now, I think what this thread needs is more hard evidence of the EU criticizing the election results.

EDIT: Hmmm, a quick Google reveals that Fox News carries the headline "EU Nations Criticize Iran Election, Concerned Over Protests" going on to quote the French foreign minister. Yahoo has a somewhat more misleading headline, stating that "EU concerned over Iranian vote results, violence; France condemns police response" but again quoting French, German, Italian, Dutch and English foreign ministers.

Now, of course, individual nations are allowed to have their own stances on foreign affairs and what France or Germany says about Iran doesn't affect us. The problem is when you have clueless people like the OP or the Yahoo reporter misconstruing the comments of members of governments of member states of the EU as the binding opinions of the EU itself.

Perhaps there should, as cactusflower suggested, be an explanation and retraction. NoT by the EU, however, but by the OP (and by cactusflower herself) for this silly hysterical rant.

[Destiny's Soldier]

This evenings 9 O'Clock News was another RTE Special psy-op.

Warnings of distressing scenes was issued by Ms Dunne for a photo of a dead man killed at today's rally. It was clearly inferred this evening that Ahmadinejads Govt was somehow responsible.
-He man even have been, but the likelyhood is that shots that were fired, were fired by US sponsored assassins and covert agents operating in Iran to destabilise the regime. God help Ms Dunne if she had shown the 95 children Obama had blow to bits in Afghanistan 2 weeks ago. Or the total devastation wrought upon Gaza by Israel which was nothing short of live butchery without the use of a stun gun.

Until about a month ago, Ahmadinejad's re-election seemed assured. Then, outside forces intervened and used creative fantasies to portray this as a great historical event. The Western press began to push his closest rival, Mir Hossein Mousavi, as a reformist capable of changing Iran into a fair and just nation that would make friends with the world. Mousavi, a distant second in the polls at the time, was himself surprised at his designation as Iran’s possible savior. His views were similar to those of Ahmadinejad, and, with the subject of Iran’s nuclear program, were identical. The only difference appears to be Mousavi’s declaration of toning down rhetoric and attempting to gain better relations with the West.

Then, the propaganda machines went into full gear at RTE. According to many media pundits, Mousavi’s victory would reverse all the negative aspects of Iran.

I'm sick of RTE's spin to demonise Iran when Iran has shown massive restrain under severe provocation -openly admitted- by the US and Israel.

[Horace Horse]

Good post. Those of us over 30 can remember when Solana was the grinning mouthpiece of NATO, night after night on our TV screens justifying another NATO bombing atrocity in Yugoslavia.

It is utterly shameful that this warmonger and creep was sanctioned by Fianna Fail the Scum Party as spokeman for Irish foreign policy.

He should keep his ugly mouth shut about the sovereign Islamic Republic of Iran.

[Mr.De-Regulation]

Another retarded reason to vote no? I wish the next treaty allows me to go around shooting you people in the face.

[Trampas]

but the likelyhood is that shots that were fired, were fired by US sponsored assassins and covert agents operating in Iran to destabilise the regime....

Jesus wept.

[Destiny's Soldier]

See from today's Washington Post

Many experts are claiming that the margin of victory of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the result of fraud or manipulation, but our nationwide public opinion survey of Iranians three weeks before the vote showed Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin -- greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in Friday's election.


While Western news reports from Tehran in the days leading up to the voting portrayed an Iranian public enthusiastic about Ahmadinejad's principal opponent, Mir Hossein Mousavi, our scientific sampling from across all 30 of Iran's provinces showed Ahmadinejad well ahead.

Independent and uncensored nationwide surveys of Iran are rare. Typically, preelection polls there are either conducted or monitored by the government and are notoriously untrustworthy. By contrast, the poll undertaken by our nonprofit organizations from May 11 to May 20 was the third in a series over the past two years. Conducted by telephone from a neighboring country, field work was carried out in Farsi by a polling company whose work in the region for ABC News and the BBC has received an Emmy award. Our polling was funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

The breadth of Ahmadinejad's support was apparent in our preelection survey. During the campaign, for instance, Mousavi emphasized his identity as an Azeri, the second-largest ethnic group in Iran after Persians, to woo Azeri voters. Our survey indicated, though, that Azeris favored Ahmadinejad by 2 to 1 over Mousavi.

The actual comprehensive survey link is here:

http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/up...ort%200609.pdf

[Horace Horse]

To be fair to the Yes to Lisbon crowd, when they lost the vote they had the good manners to keep their complaints within legal bounds.

But what odds that when/if they lose Lisbon 2, they'll take to the streets and start wrecking things?

And unlike Iran, Ireland won't have a loyal police force and militia to give them the bloody nose they'll deserve!

[Destiny's Soldier]

Another retarded reason to vote no? I wish the next treaty allows me to go around shooting you people in the face.

It's a perfect reason to vote no. I have nothing in common with idiots who want to drive the European Union into becoming the tool of US hegemony.

The Lisbon Treaty locks us into some block foreign policy which is by ruled by QUALIFIED MAJORITY VOTE. Meaning Ireland can shut it's hole.

Don't worry about wanting to shoot me in the face. You won't get the opportunity. I've just stocked up with a semi automatic 0.22 and a pump action shotgun. Come near my gate and you'll be in the cross hairs.