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If Lisbon passes, we'll all end up doing that in the streets (after first shock, read the lyrics) :
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At-pfAFUldE"]YouTube - Happa-Tai - YATTA![/ame]
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Well people in Europe might be singing if Lisbon is voted in, just as they were singing in Berlin in 1933 when the Nazis passed the enabling act. I don't think they had much to be singing about by 1943.Originally Posted by arnaudherve
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Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Oh will you hysterical ignorant eejits grow up, with your comnspiracy theories and your down-right stupid comparisons to Nazi Germany you are destroying any potential for proper debate on the matter. It's just sad and pathetic that you feel the need to resort to such tripe to pedal your point of view.
And the fact that so many No siders are pushing for a No vote for either these melodramtic pieces of BS or for other reasons outside of the Treaty itself shows that most of you don't have a case at all. What's truly shocking is the serious lack of coherent, sensible and reasonable arguments against the Treaty, particularly on this site.
If this is the level that I can expect from politics.ie then its quite apparent this is not the place to come to discuss anything. I'd become used to this kind of thing from certain American sites, where they are all so polarised between the Dems and the Reps that they just all act like a bunch of children calling each other names in the playground. I'd expected more from us (i.e. the Irish). Maybe I was wrong to.
Steady on now, you are wrong. A no vote will mean the constitutional status quo. We will have retained our remaining sovereignty and the right to determine our own asylum and immigration, justice and home affairs, abortio energy, and taxation policies and the right to choose our Commissioner (under Lisbon we can only nominate him/her but they can be rejected). We already have a multispeed Europe anyway with respect to the euro and Schengen. The nations of Europe are too diverse to impose uniformity on with respect to European integration. We want a democratic Europe not what Barroso called an "empire".
I can't believe some of the lies being thrown out on behalf of the Yes side here. The EU Court of Justice WILL be given the power to rule above Ireland's Supreme Court. Our Supreme Court will no longer have final say over what our rights are as citizens of the EU, including the rights of the unborn child and the right to strike. If you don't believe me then check Art. 6 TEU. Some of the ignorance of the Yes side to the basics of the Lisbon treaty is astounding. Here's a hint: try reading it and understanding it before knocking down the truth.
Just because you don't understand the EU doesn't mean that the Yes side are wrong. The ECJ can only rule on matters that are legislated for by the EU, and these areas are limited. If you're going to partake in debate on the matter then read up on it and research before-hand please.
FT - I've given up responding to your posts. Every time I do with points of fact and show you to be totally ignorant about the whole thing you just run off to another thread and continue posting the same BS. I have decided that you are either a troll or a blind ignoramus, neither of which is worth anyones time.
This is the only thread I have posted on regarding the Lisbon Treaty and the only BS is being posted on your part. Did you even bother reading the article or are you to stubborn and lazy to do it? You refuse to acknowledge any of the truths behind the Lisbon Treaty and your pure contempt for anyone's arguments on the No side diminishes your views to no end. Great, give up responding to my posts then. You obviously either don't understand the treaty and therefore not my posts or are unwilling to except how bad this treaty would be for Ireland.
The core point is that under lisbon the rights and responsibilities of EU citizens will be decided upon by the ECJ. Thus the ECJ and not our own supreme court becomes the final court of appeal. We can of course argue before the ECJ the "nothing in the treaty......" but as we have handed over jurisdiction to the ECJ we are at its mercy.
You know you're lying, PresentLiar. You know full well that Lisbon makes no difference to any of the policy areas listed above. But still you persist with your lies, with your nonsensical theories, with your complete ignorance about every subject (you don't even know what Corporation Tax is, for instance). Quite simply, you haven't a clue about this subject.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
Hear, hear. The incessant Nazi references are particularly offensive to anyone here with a sense of perspective, to anyone here who had relatives who fought and/or died fighting Naziism, to have to put up with their sacrifice being trivialised and sneered at by these morons. To try and compare the EU with Nazi Germany is nothing short of a disgrace. I've already asked for comparisons, in terms of how many innocent people the EU have murdered, how many million people they've exterminated in gas chambers and turned into ashes. But unsurprisingly, these website cowards won't answer.
I think its also an issue for the moderators, but they don't seem to care about the ever-diminishing reputation of the site, and continue to indulge those ignorant and offensive morons.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
