Well there were "guarantees" of sorts in Lisbon itself and in the preceding treaties, and in the run-up to Lisbon I the No side lied about them. The guarantee against abortion, for example.Originally Posted by MrFunkyBoogaloo
The Yes side may well lie, who knows. But I won't lie, and in any case this thread is about the No side and not the Yes side.
To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give every one his due.
Ok, fair point! But i, like yourself, will not lie and i voted NO and will do so again.
btw... I never believed any of the 'lies' told the last time either..
"Those who would give up their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both" - Benjamin Franklin
Listen all you Yes to Lisbon people, you're in the wrong place here, this is about the wisdom of crowds, you know the ones who voted No in Ireland, Holland and France, the wise ones.
I do asssure you it is not a concern of mine that there is a big number of replies to this thread, and I thank you for your generous nature in making a contribution, but right now it is as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.
It might help if there weren't quite so many retards on the no side. Keep them quiet this time
Specify please.
I love that kind of talk, it will keep the majority of the Irish people on their toes to vote no again,
I refuse to roll over for the elites. The key to victory is as follows:
Expose the lie that voting yes will revive the economy or that voting no was a factor in the recession. Tell them that Spanish unemployment has doubled to 18% since they voted yes, and that article 113 of the TFEU as amended by Lisbon will bring tax-harmonisation and the loss of corporate-tax revenue to foreign govts under Tax Commissioner Kovacs CCCTB plan. Tell them that in a recession, it's all the more important to retain control of our taxation-system.
Expose the likely worthlessness of the 'guarantees' including that their coming into force depends on the Croatian Accession treaty coming into force - which polls there show it may not. Explore the wording of the declarations for flaws that may allow the elite to circumvent them e.g. via Enhanced-Cooperation.
Play the nationalist-card i.e. Brussels isn't respecting the Irish no. Don't give in to foreign pressure, people died for your freedom etc.
Bring up the Franco-Dutch no votes and the fact that the Czech/Polish presidents are refusing to sign Lisbon and the Tories want to revoke UK ratification as proof we are not isolated in Europe.
Play the anti-govt card i.e. vote no to kick the govt, especially over downgrading of hospital services in parts of the country.
Remind the people of the lies we were told about Nice, and the consequent lack of credibility of the assurances they are trying to fob us off with.
Play the Turkey card i.e. stop Turkish EU membership.
It will be much harder than last time - but hardwon victories are the most rewarding.
Last edited by FutureTaoiseach; 13th June 2009 at 08:14 PM.
The surest way to get a result in an Irish referendum is to do what Mc Dowell did... lace it with racism. If you can highlight what are delightfully called " non nationals ' you'll be away at a hack.
Any chance of even half positive slogans, like... Yes to Democracy, No to Lisbon.
My neighbours voted NO. I asked them why. Answer... them boys up in Dublin are making too much out of it...... and there's too many of them in the country.
That's two different " thems " by the way as I'm sure you'll appreciate.
I accept that people with the worldview of a cabbage have the right to have it taken into acount.... that's the downside of democracy...... but I still want the right to try and have the world run by sane people.. which is what I consider to be the upside of democracy.
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