Has the no to Lisbon campaign in Ireland been terminally damaged?

[constitutionus]

lads.

has anyone bother to ask LEE if he even supports lisbon?

on the OP , no.

you can see every sneering creep on RTE trying to construe it as so but if we were told ANYTHING about this election is that lisbon had nothing to do with it.

jobs jobs jobs. that was the mantra.

the prominant people the hacks turned to for a voice on it are largely gone, and that will hit the media profile, but the reasons people voted no arent. cheif of which lisbon being a dodgy stroke to get the constitution in by the back door by politicians who dont want to go near their peoples.

no matter how much the politicians would like to think otherwise people arent stupid .they SEE this and will do what they want, not what theyre told.

that said i DO now expect a non stop sustained propaganda campaign from the ususal suspects, not to mention the continued lies from dick roche and co.

[heckler]

not at all

in-fact it will be interesting to see what happens in the uk over next few days what with ukip now being the second largest euro party there

no to lisbon was never about libertas, libertas was about no to lisbon

[Chuck de Mawl]

And the No side are rarely ordinary people. My experience is that they're so-called "professional activists" like Boyd-Barrett and Patricia McKenna from tiny organisations who share a gene pool of members. PANA, SWP, IAWM...

And the YES campaign was led by????

Are ye so used to being told what to do by leaders, that when there's a referendum, a vote not involving the Dáil or Seanad, where your vote carries the same weight as the Taoiseach's vote... you need them to hold yer hand?

[Demotruk]

If there is a general election, and if the greens are out of power, what will they do regarding Lisbon? Traditionally they would have sided with the "no" camp, will they do so to regain their base?

[fergalr]

And the YES campaign was led by????

Brian Cowen, Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore?

[constitutionus]

not at all

in-fact it will be interesting to see what happens in the uk over next few days what with ukip now being the second largest euro party there

no to lisbon was never about libertas, libertas was about no to lisbon

and the funny thing about that is ganely is going away when he actually HAS 70 odd thousand people behind him which is only 20 thousand short of what gay mitchell got LAST time around in dublin

my feeling on this is lisbon 2 will be lost and the entire political and media establishment will be at a loss to explain why as theyre going to spend the next four months talking to themselves.

IF they dont spend the entire period trying to force a general election.

[jimmyjames]

Conservative parties doing very well in the elections across Europe according to the latest newscasts. Lisbon may well be scuppered by the rest of Europe before it comes to another referendum here.

[Eye of Angkor]

If MLM, K Sinnott and D Ganley had been elected we would now be told in no uncertain terms that the No campaign was on the way to a second victory.

Joe Higgins is against Lisbon but is not identified as such - indeed I know persons who gave him a high preference without knowing his views on Lisbon.

The truth is that the No to Lisbon campaign has been wounded badly. All bar 1 of the MEPs will be campaign for the Treaty next time out.

The result not only reflects what the polls are saying but also exposes the complete absence of cohesion on the no side.

[Chuck de Mawl]

Brian Cowen, Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore?

You think we need to have party leaders elevated on the yes side, but don't want anybody of influence on the NO side.

Double standard.
In a Dáil vote, of course the leaders do most of the talking, but this is a referendum. It's not their call any more than it is mine or yours.

[Eye of Angkor]

Conservative parties doing very well in the elections across Europe according to the latest newscasts. Lisbon may well be scuppered by the rest of Europe before it comes to another referendum here.

Lisbon is no longer an issue in most of Europe. Even the Czechs and the Poles have turned the page. We should not be fooled by the fact that the UK is essentially a eurosceptic state that the EU would be better off without.

Most of the conservative parties that have done well are pro-EU if not frankly federalist.