Has the no to Lisbon campaign in Ireland been terminally damaged?

[Adrian Wainer]

Adrian, pull yourself together and stop crying about the dysfunctional brain comment. It was originally a jibe although I'm beginning to believe it now.

All that is, is vacuous insults.

Actually, I take it back - your brain is dysfunctional. First you say, in a straightforward manner, that private enterprise want to shoot people in the street. Then you say you were "making a generalization about an attitude in private enterprise, a generalization does not apply to all the elements in all situations". Now you say that that was not a qualification and that your original assertion was perfectly logical....!!!

So, let me get this straight:
1. the line in italics above is not a qualification......?
2. the assertion that private enterprise wants to shoot people in the street is perfectly logical......?
3. (and from earlier) a Lisbon Yes vote is a vote for people being shot in the street without trial.......!?

First you say, in a straightforward manner, that private enterprise want to shoot people in the street.

I never said that, I said.

The objective of private industry is to generate profits. If more profits can be generated by shooting people in the streets without trial and less profits will be generated by not shooting people in the streets without trial, private industry is likely to favour shooting people in the streets without trial.

1. the line in italics above is not a qualification......?

An elaboration could also contain within it a qualification but my comment was a simple elaboration with no qualification of my original remark.

Yes, it's entirley dysfunctional. It's been a while but here is my putative diagnosis.

Paranoid personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[SIZE="1"]particularly these aspects:
1. Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
2. Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
3. Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
4. Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack[/SIZE]

So are you saying, that I am suffering from a psychiatric illness, is that your position?

No, my position is robustly intact.

The objective of private industry is to generate profits. If more profits can be generated by shooting people in the streets without trial and less profits will be generated by not shooting people in the streets without trial, private industry is likely to favour shooting people in the streets without trial.

The political arrangement proposed by the Lisbon treaty is undemocratic and the methodology for bringing about that political arrangement is undemocratic, ( e.g. the French voting no to the European Constitution in a referendum, then Lisbon I being passed by the French Government rather than holding a second referendum ),. Whether the EU, if Lisbon II is brought in to effect, will prove to be a benign dictatorship with economic progress and a high standard of living or become an economically stagnated terror state, I do not know for sure, what I do know for sure, is that it is grossly disgusting that ordinary people should be used without their permission as laboratory rats, for this sociopolitical experiment.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

[drkpower]

So are you saying, that I am suffering from a psychiatric illness is that your position?

Why must you take a page to make a couple of simple points......?

Anyway, thanks for clarifying that you believe, without qualification, that private enterprise want to shoot people in the street (in order to make money of course)......

And as for the psychiatric issue, i wouldnt like to put a formal diagnosis on the table but lets just say that you are certainly showing signs ......

[hiding behind a poster]

Libertas' involvement in the Lisbon Treaty campaign was never about choosing Libertas over something else, it was about arguing the reasons to reject Lisbon. We put forward that choice over the last six months and we got our answer on Friday.

Sorry Cookie - you're a good poster, but that's just not true. Your party did not "argue the reasons to reject Lisbon". Your party argued FALSE reasons to reject Lisbon. Your party either misrepresented, or blatantly lied about several issues, some of which have absolutely nothing to do with the Lisbon Treaty. They lied about Corporation tax, lied about neutrality, lied about Article 48, and at best blatantly misrepresented the legal position on abortion. You may well be pro-EU but anti-Lisbon, Cookie - if you say you are, I'll accept it. But people like you were manipulated by those controlling and funding your party, people whose agenda is anti-EU. They should just be honest about that.

[Adrian Wainer]

Why must you take a page to make a couple of simple points......?

Anyway, thanks for clarifying that you believe, without qualification, that private enterprise want to shoot people in the street (in order to make money of course)......

And as for the psychiatric issue, i wouldnt like to put a formal diagnosis on the table but lets just say that you are certainly showing signs ......

Why must you take a page to make a couple of simple points......?

Well one of the reasons, is that I appear to be dealing with a manipulative and presumably deliberately dishonest piece of garbage, in the person of your good self.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying that you believe, without qualification, that private enterprise want to shoot people in the street (in order to make money of course)......

No. I have never said that, I rather suspect you are now venturing in to the territory of fabricating blatant lies.

And as for the psychiatric issue, i wouldnt like to put a formal diagnosis on the table but lets just say that you are certainly showing signs ......

Why not give me a formal diagnosis, why the sudden shyness?

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

[Sucker Punch]

Your brain is robustly dysfunctional.

Who are all these evil people in "private Industry".....
I work in private Industry (or at least private professional sevices - are we evil too?).
Im certain I dont want to shoot people in the street to increase profits.
Im pretty sure my colleagues dont also.
While I dont know them as well, most of my clients wouldnt either.

Who, prey tell, are these evil ones who want to see blood on the streets to increase their profit levels.

Is it possible, Adrian, that you are a student/unemployed and have never actually worked in this "private Industry" that you talk of and, for that reason, you have no idea that it is populated by ordinary people. Sure they want to make a profit, but apart from the odd looony, none of them want to shoot peole in the street.

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[drkpower]

No. I have never said that, I rather suspect you are now venturing in to the territory of fabricating blatant lies.

You never said that you believe, without qualification, that private enterprise want to shoot people in the street (in order to make money of course)......??

The objective of private industry is to generate profits. If more profits can be generated by shooting people in the streets without trial and less profits will be generated by not shooting people in the streets without trial, private industry is likely to favour shooting people in the streets without trial.


There is nothing outrageous about that assertion, it is perfectly logical and reasonable and I have not sought to qualify it and back away from it, I merely was seeking to elaborate on it to more fully explain it, as I was making an allowance for the possibility that you might be quite expert in whatever you do but might be relatively unknowledgeable in the matters under discussion.

D'oh.
Idiot!!!
If you are going to lie, try not to leave a paper trail!!!

Why not give me a formal diagnosis, why the sudden shyness?

Ok then, for what its worth, its my formal diagnosis.

[Trampas]

Sorry Cookie - you're a good poster, but that's just not true. Your party did not "argue the reasons to reject Lisbon". Your party argued FALSE reasons to reject Lisbon. Your party either misrepresented, or blatantly lied about several issues, some of which have absolutely nothing to do with the Lisbon Treaty. They lied about Corporation tax, lied about neutrality, lied about Article 48, and at best blatantly misrepresented the legal position on abortion. You may well be pro-EU but anti-Lisbon, Cookie - if you say you are, I'll accept it. But people like you were manipulated by those controlling and funding your party, people whose agenda is anti-EU. They should just be honest about that.

But what do you mean by "anti-EU" ? Surely there is some room for a middle ground position where people can articulate their perceived problems with the EU as currently constituted and also with the Lisbon/Constitutional Treaty without being accused of wishing to sabotage the union.

[Adrian Wainer]

You never said that you believe, without qualification, that private enterprise want to shoot people in the street (in order to make money of course)......??



D'oh.
Idiot!!!
If you are going to lie, try not to leave a paper trail!!!



Ok then, for what its worth, its my formal diagnosis.

You are falsifying my comments, as they were posted without the highlighting and my assertions stand and you have done nothing to disprove them.

Ok then, for what its worth, its my formal diagnosis.

Sorry, your formal diagnosis is what and who does this diagnosis refer to.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

[drkpower]

You are falsifying my comments, as they were posted without the highlighting and my assertions stands and you have done nothing to disprove them.

Nice one, Adrian!!

The highlighting changes the meaning now, does it.....!?!!

Ive changed my diagnosis; your not psychologically unwell, you're just stupid!!!!

[JollyRedGiant]

The No to Lisbon campaign will be enormously enhanced by the removal of Ganley from the equation.