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    Taoiseach launches new EU constitution campaign

    THE European Constitution is "the right choice for Europe and the right choice for Ireland." Taoiseach Bertie Ahern made an all-out bid to revive the Constitution which he claimed was still viable. He said different views were being expressed as to whether it represented "a tidying-up exercise or a step of major importance for Europe," he believed it should be seen as both. - Irish Independent
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    About time. The Constitution is needed and deserves Ireland's support

    Can't see anything happening however in Ireland until after the general election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodie
    About time. The Constitution is needed and deserves Ireland's support

    Can't see anything happening however in Ireland until after the general election.
    I can do perfectly fine without a Europaen Constitution, I already have a constitution
    Sovereignty is Democracy

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    "The European Constitution is "the right choice for Europe and the right choice for Ireland." according to the Taoiseach

    What is his understanding of the word 'choice' ?

    He knows France and the Netherlands have already rejected the constitution-is that their free choice -or isn't it?

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    So much for democracy. The French and the Dutch have said "Non/Nei". What part of that do the politicians not understand?

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    I think the big problem for the EU was that it may have started out as a constitution, but it ended up as not much more than a consolidation of treaties. That is something useful and important in a technocratic sense, but it's not something that the people of Europe are going to get excited about.

    A constitution should be a relatively short statement of principles, which any citizen can pick up and understand, not a 200 page tome which they can't read never mind understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    So much for democracy. The French and the Dutch have said "Non/Nei". What part of that do the politicians not understand?
    I'd say the bit that doesnt suit them.

    Yet again.

    So much for democracy indeed.
    If I could mass-sterilise the planet, I would. Seriously.
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    I get more cynical every day!

    I figured in my innocence they were gonna ammend the constitution and resubmit it.

    Now it looks like they're gonna go to France and the Dutch "er....wrong answer try again there lads..."

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    The consitution has been ratified by 14 countries so far, rejected by two. Nothing undemocratic about still hoping to adopt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurocrat
    The consitution has been ratified by 14 countries so far, rejected by two. Nothing undemocratic about still hoping to adopt it.
    But surely, in the light of the French and Dutch votes, it would be rejected in referenda all over Europe, if the people were so consulted?
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