Colm Burke MEP misleading and scaremongering

[eurosceptic]

Colm Burke either doesnt have a clue or he is deliberately misleading and scaremongering in this piece on his blog.
1- He refers to us being "semi-detatched", a common catchphrase these days but completely untrue as we are full members of the EU bar the schengen opt-out whether we say yes or no. The only "semi-detatched" country is Denmark and they are doing a hell of a lot better than we are btw. Our common market rights will not be affected in any way by voting no.
2- He refers to new protocols. There will be no such protocols as the treaty would have to be reratified across europe. There will be an undertaking to insert protocols at the next opportunity which may be years away.
3- He implies that the december resolution has some sort of substance if not legal but in realpolitik. It doesnt its a false promise as legal gaurentees would affect the treaty's application across europe and the british have already made it clear they wont accept that.

Colm Burke MEP - Lisbon Treaty

[wysiwyg]

Colm Burke either doesnt have a clue or he is deliberately misleading and scaremongering in this piece on his blog.
1- He refers to us being "semi-detatched", a common catchphrase these days but completely untrue as we are full members of the EU bar the schengen opt-out whether we say yes or no. The only "semi-detatched" country is Denmark and they are doing a hell of a lot better than we are btw. Our common market rights will not be affected in any way by voting no.
2- He refers to new protocols. There will be no such protocols as the treaty would have to be reratified across europe. There will be an undertaking to insert protocols at the next opportunity which may be years away.
3- He implies that the december resolution has some sort of substance if not legal but in realpolitik. It doesnt its a false promise as legal gaurentees would affect the treaty's application across europe and the british have already made it clear they wont accept that.

Colm Burke MEP - Lisbon Treaty

In all fairness, who takes a blind bit of notice of what Colm Burke says ?

I'm pretty well involved in politics for the last decade, and if he walked up and stood on my foot, I wouldn't know who he was.. nor care.. well apart from the sore foot

[saveNenagHospital]

if you ask me, and i realise nobody did, anyone who believes that we can vote no and everything will just stay the same as it always was as regards our relationship with the rest of europe is misleading themselves,

its like a party, if a fight breaks out between someone and the group, the party is ruined for everyone for the night, especially if that person hangs around giving out that the rest have continued on with the party inspite of him

[Big Bobo]

if you ask me, and i realise nobody did, anyone who believes that we can vote no and everything will just stay the same as it always was as regards our relationship with the rest of europe is misleading themselves,

its like a party, if a fight breaks out between someone and the group, the party is ruined for everyone for the night, especially if that person hangs around giving out that the rest have continued on with the party inspite of him

So we should vote Yes just to keep the Brussels bourgeosie happy?

[eurosceptic]

SNH. When the constitution failed life went on as normal. There was some weeping and gnashing of teeth along the way but no crisis. Every government knows if they called a referendum they could easily have got a no vote themselves.
I dont see how your analogy applies. Its not as if there were 26 yes votes across europe.

[ibis]

Is this not simply a repeat of your thread on the guarantees?

[saveNenagHospital]

I don't know who the brussels bourgeosie are?? If you refer to the meps/commissioners/european civil servants then what makes them more bourgeoise than our own td's, secetary generals/ civil servants (public sector workers)

if it is the unions and other lobby groups you refer to then you may be right, but then it is often these groups which bring about or at least start off some of the better inovations to come form brussels

as regards my argument of the party, eurosceptic, you are correct if we lived in an ideal world, we have every right to say no again if we wish, just as we have every right to change our mind and say yes if we wish, but to think that either result would have the same impact on how we go froward with our partners in europe (and they are our partners not our superiors) is just foolish, as i persume yiou would accept this is not an ideal world we live in

[eurosceptic]

SNH. Dont be intimidated here. There is opposition throughout europe on this. Behind closed doors there are governments delighted with our no vote. Even if the other 26 were against us it wouldnt change our legal gaurentees, and never forget we never got anything beyond our legal gaurentees. Every penny that came our way would have gone to any country in our situation.

[ibis]

SNH. Dont be intimidated here. There is opposition throughout europe on this. Behind closed doors there are governments delighted with our no vote. Even if the other 26 were against us it wouldnt change our legal gaurentees, and never forget we never got anything beyond our legal gaurentees. Every penny that came our way would have gone to any country in our situation.

First, I thought you didn't consider legal guarantees worth anything - second, I'm intensely impressed by your personal inside knowledge of what the governments of Europe are thinking in their private councils. Clearly you have been spending a lot of time behind closed doors.

[eurosceptic]

I mean our legal gaurentees under the current treaties.