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About LinkBacksBertie ended up resigning after being strung through a tribunal and is now a nobody in politics.Originally Posted by Clanrickard
If that's what has to happen to Ganley, so be it.
Bertie ended up resigning after being strung through a tribunal and is now a nobody in politics.
If that's what has to happen to Ganley, so be it.
To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give every one his due.
That is a good point,
Is Rivada Networks actually American or is it Irish?
I think it's a US company with a subsidiary in Ireland at Ganley's address in Galway (that's according to the IT from a while ago).
To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give every one his due.
Had SIPO read the book they probably wouldn't be so willing to attribute value to it.
To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give every one his due.
Literary value is not really a feature of campaign material...
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
A valid enough point. Although I don't think we need press releases to make us aware of what a sleazebag Bertie is, even if SIPO and the IT did publicise and cover his shenanigans in detail.
However.
Libertas did put themselves forward as being a new type of political movement, different from politics as usual: transparent, accountable - the usual buzz words.
If you're going to make those claims, then you should behave like a new type of political movement, different from politics as usual.
I'm sure there must be Libertas supporters (actual or potential) who are deeply disappointed that they seem to be just another Irish political party: no transparency, no accountability.
Remember the PD mantra: "Radical or redundant"?
Once they ditched some of their more radical policies they pretty soon became redundant (thankfully).
If Libertas don't prove they're different, instead of just claiming to be different, they won't be treated any differently from any other Irish political party with perhaps questionable links to big business.
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It's quite a bit more complicated than that. My reading is that by not co-operating with SIPO they didn't break the law (just a promise they made during the campaign), as not providing info to SIPO is not an offence. However, the substantive matter that SIPO was investigating was whether Libertas had committed an offence by failing to abide by the electoral acts.
They asked Libertas to provide the commercial loan agreement that is required for the loans from Ganley to Libertas to be legal. Libertas for reasons best known to themselves have decided not to provide the piece of paper that would show that their funding is all above board. Perhaps they didn't like the tone of the letter.
So SIPO can take it no further, and Libertas are not in breach of the law in respect of their dealings with SIPO. SIPO, of course, are not the only body who can investigate a potential breach of the electoral acts.
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Who are the other bodies? Revenue? Gardai?
Gardaí, I would have thought. Not sure if any revenue issues are involved.
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Well, if Mr. Ganley (or whoever) gave a loan on commercial terms to Libertas, I'd imagine the Revenue would be interested in seeing a copy of the loan agreement so they can calculate the potential profit (or loss if Libertas were to default on repayment of the loan).
I'm assuming that the profits from a commercial loan, even to a political movement, are subject to taxation.
