The yes side scaremongering is a well rehearsed act that failed in sweden in 2003 when voters rejected the euro. Note the recurring themes of being "left behind", "outer tier", "damaged credibility" and of course "FDI will go!". By the way sweden is doing a lot better than we are right now!
We also see why sweden didnt call a referendum on lisbon.
Resounding result against the euro raises doubts over series of EU polls - Europe, World - The Independent
Maybe you should look a bit further around Europe for a clearer picture of the Eurozone's popularity?
In Poland, public opinion has swung decisively in the opposite direction in recent months. Voters now support Eurozone membership by a 2/1 majority and they are likely to join next year or in 2011.
Denmark has changed its tune significantly on the issue, with the Government currently seeking cross-party support before calling a referendum next year.
Estonia plan to join in 2011.
Romania plan to join in 2014.
Bulgaria are aiming for 2015. (both of these have faced serious inflationary problems in 2007 and 2008 which has delayed their adoption)
Czech Republic is also setting a date for adoption.
As a matter of interest, can you tell us if the arguments AGAINST swedish euro adoption were also similar to the ones here?
ie. - abortion, conscription, war, famine, euthenasia, hard drugs, prostitutes, abduction of our children, etc. (ie. do the No lobby there have a completely insane person like Kathy Sinnott on the "No" side?)
My point cat is that swedes were presented with threats of dire consequences if they said no just like the lisbon yesmen. Those threats turned out to be empty btw.
My point is all the talk of marginilisation, loss of FDI, slow lane etc. is a well rehearsed act thats rolled out all across europe.
i am not here to debate the merits of the euro. There are plenty of threads to do that. As for denmark the political class have always aspired to euro membership there is nothing new in that. The euro opt-out was necessary to get maastrict passed. so dont portray denmarks political class pushing for euro membership as anything new.
You're sounding a bit frantic there, kitty, is everything alright? Do you need a lie down?
The Swedes had a referendum, they were asked if they wanted in and they decided that they didn't. It's their country and their choice. The current regime is Brussels may not like people deciding things for themselves, but you know that's how it works and that's how it will continue to work. Democracy is a precious thing and having one's voice heard is an important part of that, people are not stupid enough to abandon that owing to pathetic scarmongering and bullying from Brussels.
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Thats fair enough CM - but the thread was started by Eurosceptic - so whats he bricking it over then? - just sounds like the Swedes are having a healthy debate about whether they should reconsider the decision they made in 2003 - what the F.ck is wrong with that? - the world changes - its not 2003 now - its 2009 - and if they decide to relook at the situation - they'll have a referendum on it and thus will be their decision - all sounds quite democratic to me - as regards scaremongering - well given the nonsense spouted about abortion,conscription,taxation (that came up in every referendum after 1972)over here last year - it sounds like Kettle,pot and black.Originally Posted by CookieMonster
The point of this discussion is that the current yes scaremongering is a well rehearsed act employed all over europe whenever there is a difficult referendum. It turned out to be absolutely false in the swedish case.
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