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    Martin: Don’t focus on details of Lisbon

    So from Michael Martin's own mouth the government streategy for Lisbon 2 is not to focus on Lisbon at all but to attempt to scare the bejesus out of everyone.

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    Thread about this this already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    So from Michael Martin's own mouth the government streategy for Lisbon 2 is not to focus on Lisbon at all but to attempt to scare the bejesus out of everyone.

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    Bloody marvellous. What fools elected these clowns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Bloody marvellous. What fools elected these clowns?

    The same ones who voted NO but hell that's Democracy , have you an alternative system?
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    Says it all.

    This is on a par with the US Congressman defending Nixon to the bitter end with the immortal cry - Don't confuse me with the facts.
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    People are scared anyway. The referendum will be between fear and anger. Anything can happen. It may will go through this time but if people support it out of fear the long-term damage to our democracy will be substantial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCoise View Post
    The same ones who voted NO but hell that's Democracy , have you an alternative system?
    Nope - I'll have to work within the present system for the reversal of both those bad choices.
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    This is an obvious strategy for ther government (let FG deal with the details)

    1) In relation to details, only lawyers, nerds and the utterly dishonest understand them anyway. If you have to explain you are losing.
    2) People can download a copy of the bloody thing themselves.
    3) Going for the big picture is always far better to sell an International Treaty to people (think stepping stones and the Articles of Association for a Treaty between Great Britain and Ireland - do you think they got bogged down about Treaty Ports, pensions or annunities in 1922?*).
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    a) Europe has been good to us so far and this is simply the next step to stary part of the inner club.
    b) We do not want to be Iceland
    c) The Treaty does not change the situation that much anyway, and where it does those who deal with it are happy with the changes.
    d) The Foreign affairs position allows us more influence on Gaza.
    e) We will use the EU to get the Germans to reduce their Greenhouse emissions after all why should we go it alone?
    f) Voting No is bad for the economy.

    It may be less honest, but it is far more effective (another round of argunig what Article 48 means, anyone).


    *Multitext - "Articles of Agreement as signed, 6 December 1921"
    Apparently this is still a recognised International Treaty, despite having being formerly revoked by the Westminster and by us implicitly in 1937.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    So from Michael Martin's own mouth the government streategy for Lisbon 2 is not to focus on Lisbon at all but to attempt to scare the bejesus out of everyone.

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