New poll shows huge majority opposed to a second referendum

[red-365]

[SIZE=2]The results of a new poll show that a huge majority are opposed to a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty

Wouldn't even know where to start with this one!

[Almanac]

Obviously the lightbulb of realisation is not on in Brussels. They must be incandescent with rage and have probably been banned by the Greens.

Regards...jmcc

Well as we now know, as has been proven, the rubbish about listening to the voters and respecting the outcome of the referendum was simply a pack of lies. They are absolutely determined to ratify the treaty as Merkel let slip.

[Fergalino]

Well as we now know, as has been proven, the rubbish about listening to the voters and respecting the outcome of the referendum was simply a pack of lies. They are absolutely determined to ratify the treaty as Merkel let slip.

The Lisbon Treaty will not be ratified by Ireland unless the Irish people agree to that through a referendum.

The Irish people have not approved it in a referendum - the Treaty has not been ratified by Ireland. In sum, they ARE being listened to. You're point of view could only hold water IF despite the absense of a yes vote, we ratified the Treaty. Since we have not ratified, you are clearly wrong.

IF there is another referendum, and the IRISH PEOPLE vote yes, we will ratify. Simple as that.Nothing happens unless the Irish people agree.

[Almanac]

The Irish people have not approved it in a referendum - the Treaty has not been ratified by Ireland. In sum, they ARE being listened to. You're point of view could only hold water IF despite the absense of a yes vote, we ratified the Treaty. Since we have not ratified, you are clearly wrong.

IF there is another referendum, and the IRISH PEOPLE vote yes, we will ratify. Simple as that.Nothing happens unless the Irish people agree.

What lies, what pressure, what propaganda, what intimidation and bullying will be used in the attempt to secure ratification in a repeat of Lisbon, I wonder, and to what degree will this diminish the volitional freedom of the Irish people.

If the Irish, and European, people were indeed being listened to then there would be a serious rethink about the form the whole integration process is taking. Those who assert that Lisbon is the result of six years of negotiation are simply lying. Lisbon is the recycled European Constitution, which was negotiated by political leaders, and which was twice rejected in referendums when put to the people. It was a political leader, Angela Merkel, who revived it and it was the people again who have rejected it.

[petervalhala]

But weren't the urban areas more disposed to the yes side than the no side in the referendum?

All depends on the location

Lower education, those on the dole etc typically voted no as they believed the conscription etc lies of the Shinners

The higher you move up the education and/or income tree the more likely they were to vote Yes

[petervalhala]

Nonsense polls don't deserve discussion. Come back with a real one by MRBI, RedC or another company that actually uses a real methodology and we'll talk

Well said, this so called 'poll', is more like wishful thinking from some marginal no group

[petervalhala]

The poll is encouraging news

Only for those who seem hell bent on destroying any future this country has.

[petervalhala]

What lies, what pressure, what propaganda, what intimidation and bullying will be used

Absolutely! as in the lies of the Shinners and the unelected, secretly financed Libertas!

[hiding behind a poster]

What lies, what pressure, what propaganda, what intimidation and bullying will be used in the attempt to secure ratification in a repeat of Lisbon, I wonder, and to what degree will this diminish the volitional freedom of the Irish people.

Firstly, what lies were told? As for the rest, one man's bullying is another man's election campaigning, one man's information is another man's propaganda, etc etc. So unless you favour elections and referenda being held in a complete information vacuum, with no-one allowed say anything about anything, then you have to accept that both sides will say their piece, and if one side lies, its up to the other side to point that out.

If the Irish, and European, people were indeed being listened to then there would be a serious rethink about the form the whole integration process is taking.

No, there wouldn't. Because the Irish vote was simply a Yes/No referendum, without a specific question being asked about the integration process. For instance, its actually perfectly possible in theory that the Irish rejected Lisbon because it didn't go far enough. Now we know that not to be true, but only because post-referendum research tells us so. So with only that research to go on, there's no evidence that the Irish want a rethink of the form the whole integration process took, and therefore our government is not mandated in any way to seek such a rethink.

Lisbon is the recycled European Constitution, which was negotiated by political leaders, and which was twice rejected in referendums when put to the people. It was a political leader, Angela Merkel, who revived it and it was the people again who have rejected it.

Wrong. It is for each European State to carry out ratification according to its own sovereign laws. There is no obligation for referenda simply because "European Treaties should go to referenda". So why are you and others seemingly insisting on interfering in other states' ratification processes, and telling them what process they should use, while simultaneously insisting THEY butt out of our affairs? You can't have it both ways.

[john scott]

This poll used a very small sample. Generally the number polled is over 1000 so the results of this poll should be treated with caution.