Prime Time Special - Declan Ganley

[people korps]

It's like trying to wrestle with an giant overfulled waterballoon covered in babyoil...

That happens in debate when you can't best an argument based on fact and logic Cookie. You used to just shut people down by calling them idiots or discussing TV, Football etc with your collaborators here on a thread to shut it down. Tougher when you have to deal with with fact and logic. You are obviously out of your depth as you don't know as much about Declan Ganley as you should, being his foot solider.

[toxic avenger]

Yes but my point was that as both of their evidence was contadicory if Lawlor were still alive it would have been go.ne into in detail. As Lawlor was dead in September 2007 Ganley could say what he liked Re Ganley was stupid enough to pay him 30K for his help there, the worst that can be said is that Ganley's judgement was flawed,

Declan Ganley did business in Russia in 1990 and beyond, are we to believe that he was naive?

The business he was in in Albania in 1996 was the Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund. The fact is he did hire Lawlor and at this stage we only have his word to say that the invoices were forged.

I imagine we are getting the minimum of info on their relationship.

You said it yourself, 'I imagine'. Lawlor is dead. Even if he were alive, the man's evidence was never worth the paper it was written on. You imagine away, but without any non-imagined facts about Lawlor and Ganley, it is nothing but idle speculation. Your on a loser from the beginning, but it's your call, you argue away...

[people korps]

You said it yourself, 'I imagine'. Lawlor is dead. Even if he were alive, the man's evidence was never worth the paper it was written on. You imagine away, but without any non-imagined facts about Lawlor and Ganley, it is nothing but idle speculation. Your on a loser from the beginning, but it's your call, you argue away...

Turn of phrase Toxic
My original point was that Mahon would have examined this area forensically if he were alive. I can think of several ways they could still examine it through other witnesses.

[toxic avenger]

Turn of phrase Toxic
My original point was that Mahon would have examined this area forensically if he were alive. I can think of several ways they could still examine it through other witnesses.

'Would have'. You don't know that, and even if it were so, you'd be relying on Lawlor's word. Mahon's remit was planning, Ganley only came into it because a false invoice on Ganley's notepaper (stolen by Lawlor) was used to cover a payment from Dunlop, O'Callaghan's bagman. Ganley himself, and his activities in Albania, were not a subject of inquiry. Ganley and his colleague gave persuasive evidence proving that the invoice was not one of theirs and had nothing to do with them. End of story as far as Mahon is concerned. If you have any information, even a shred, to the contrary, you might be on to something. But you don't, so I'd advise that you drop this plank of your issues with Ganley, concentrate on areas where you believe your case is backed up by facts.

[MookieBaylock]

It's like trying to wrestle with an giant overfulled waterballoon covered in babyoil...

and as for my question?

[people korps]

'Would have'. You don't know that, and even if it were so, you'd be relying on Lawlor's word. Mahon's remit was planning, Ganley only came into it because a false invoice on Ganley's notepaper (stolen by Lawlor) was used to cover a payment from Dunlop, O'Callaghan's bagman. Ganley himself, and his activities in Albania, were not a subject of inquiry. Ganley and his colleague gave persuasive evidence proving that the invoice was not one of theirs and had nothing to do with them. End of story as far as Mahon is concerned. If you have any information, even a shred, to the contrary, you might be on to something. But you don't, so I'd advise that you drop this plank of your issues with Ganley, concentrate on areas where you believe your case is backed up by facts.

you are relying on Ganleys' word, I am looking at both of their statements.
I don't think the Mahon story is over at all, I think that you would wish that it was but that is not the case.
The fact is that Ganley employed Lawlor, Lawlor said he used his offices to conduct his own business etc
Ganley paid Lawlor then a TD a substantial sum of money in 1996
That is stuff that is on the record

So am I to erase the record?
I have made no inference I have stated that the issue raises further questions.

[CookieMonster]

and as for my question?

About my location? I don't believe it matters where I am located. Regardless of where in the world one may find themselves, one remains an Irish Citizen and as such a stakeholder in the decisions the country makes through referenda.

[toxic avenger]

you are relying on Ganley"'s word, I am looking at both of their statements.
I don't think the Mhon story is over at all, I think that you would wish that it was but that is not the case.
The fact is that Ganley employed Lawlor, Lawlor said he used his offices to conduct hisn own business etc
Ganley paid Lawlor then a TD a substantial sum of money in 1996
That is stuff that is on the record

So am I to erase the record?
I have made no inference I have stated that the sisue raises further questions.

'Ganley employed Lawlor then a TD', is correct, but he was employed for the other side of Europe where he was not elected, there can be no imputation of corruption. I am not taking Ganley's word on anything, I read the transcript and was persuaded by the clearly established fact that the invoice was stolen, the serial number being wrong

[people korps]

'Ganley employed Lawlor then a TD', is correct, but he was employed for the other side of Europe where he was not elected, there can be no imputation of corruption. I am not taking Ganley's word on anything, I read the transcript and was persuaded by the clearly established fact that the invoice was stolen, the serial number being wrong

Well there is no mention in the evidence of other Ganley invoices being presented for comparison. I would have asked for that had I been at the tribunal in any capacity or if I was a hack covering the it. As far as I can see we only have oral evidence re that point.

[wolf]

Declan Ganley for Taoiseach?
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Wake up People.