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    Irish Times/MRBI Lisbon Poll

    Yes 43 No39 if a number of issues are catered for in a revised treaty dealing with the Commissioner, tax, abortion and neutrality.

    Even on these figures I do not think the government could confidently run a Lisbon 2.

    Poll gives second Lisbon referendum chance of passing - The Irish Times - Sun, Nov 16, 2008


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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    Yes 43-39 if a number of issues are catered for in a revised treaty dealing with the Commissioner, tax, abortion etc.
    Very close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    Yes 43-39 if a number of issues are catered for in a revised treaty dealing with the Commissioner, tax, abortion and neutrality.
    Even on these figures I do not think the government could confidently run a Lisbon 2.
    I think you're right.

    If the govt is going to present a ratification plan by next month, this poll result won't encourage them. For what it's worth, I think the govt will adopt a twin-track approach of partial Oireachtas ratification and a referendum on the balance.

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    Cowen can't even make it a 'Back me or sack me' referendum nor a 'in or out' one, lest he gets the 'wrong result'. Again. He should kill it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    Yes 43-39 if a number of issues are catered for in a revised treaty dealing with the Commissioner, tax, abortion and neutrality.

    Even on these figures I do not think the government could confidently run a Lisbon 2.

    I agree. That 39 pc looks like a very solid base from which to begin any No campaign.
    Usual thinly disguised cheerleading from RTE news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    Cowen can't even make it a 'Back me or sack me' referendum nor a 'in or out' one, lest he gets the 'wrong result'. Again. He should kill it now.
    If Cown were to make it a back me or sack me referendum then he will get a resonding sacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    Cowen can't even make it a 'Back me or sack me' referendum nor a 'in or out' one, lest he gets the 'wrong result'. Again. He should kill it now.
    He can't kill it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    Yes 43-39 if a number of issues are catered for in a revised treaty dealing with the Commissioner, tax, abortion and neutrality.

    Even on these figures I do not think the government could confidently run a Lisbon 2.
    There would be declarations at most (the proponents would argue, justifiably, that tax, abortion, and neutrality do not require a revised Treaty, as the Treaty has nothing to do with any of them). The Commissioner thing wont change, they're in no mood to renegotiate (and I do believe that the Libertas claim on campaign posters that we would 'lose' a Commissioner was wrong).

    I had hoped that the climate would be much more unfavourable now than then for a 'yes' campaign, this is disappointingly close. The 'loss of goodwill' guilt trip is an effective weapon, apparently...

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    That is a good result for the yes side. Public opinion post the vote had been moving against the treaty. The poll suggests that move has halted and reversed. The poll says a referendum could be won. Before now the polls said it couldn't.
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    Would make me want to vote No even more

    Why would i want Charlie McGreedy or some other gombeen out in Brussels screwing us? It makes no difference whether it's 18 or 27 commisioners riding us anyway although less is probably better.

    I'm pro-choice, if there was a chance it would bring abortion rights I would consider a yes vote

    I want corporation tax raised, why would I vote for corporations to screw the Irish people?

    There is still no guarantee over the privatisation agenda or guarantees of no increases in military expenditure. Of course if you guaranteed that the treaty would be pointless!

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