Lisbon: "Gordon Brown is preparing to break the law."

[Oblivion]

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, renowned British economist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, tears into Gordon Brown's response to the Irish rejection of Lisbon:


[size=7]Gordon Brown is preparing to break the law over Ireland’s EU vote.[/size]

"By their bullying treatment of Ireland, the powers that be in the European Union are openly threatening to breach the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

The British government is openly threatening to breach our own European Communities Act, which would prohibit ratification of any Treaty unless it was ratified by all other member states. Gordon Brown is preparing to break British law."

"...The German foreign minister Steinmeier said Ireland should "temporarily" withdraw from the EU integration process. If that is not an expulsion threat, I don't know what it is. Presumably Mr Steinmeier knows that Ireland is an integral part of the monetary union, so one can only conclude that he is willing to contemplate a partial disintegration of the euro."

"You can see very quickly that this is a dangerous game."

"The Brussels integrationist knew it was their last chance. They rolled the dice and lost when the French and the Dutch said no. They rolled again with Lisbon, and lost again last week. Now they are playing seriously dirty... Brussels, Paris, Berlin - and London, I am ashamed to say - are pressing ahead with reckless arrogance and stupidity."

Full article here: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/business/a ... euvote.htm

People in Britain are livid that this scandal is continuing, after the House of Lords gave the green light to proceed with ratification yesterday. Unfortunately, Gordon Brown's government seems determined to ignore the people. This Labour government will be booted out of office in 2 years - but by then the damage will be done.

<Mod> Moved to Lisbon Treaty. </Mod>

[johnfás]

There isn't any law being broken there. What you are implying above, would mean a situation that Britain would always have to be the last State to ratify any European Treaty as there could possibly be a rejection or a hold up in another member state during the ratification process. All that could possibly be illegal is if the Treaty passed its final ratification phase without Irish approval - which we all know will not happen and nobody is suggesting it will. David Milliband, the Foreign Secretary himself has stated that Ireland can read the last rites to this treaty if they desire. Merely what is happening is that Britain is proceeding with their ratification through their Parliament - nothing illegal there. Perhaps you should read the law more closely and indeed teleologically.

[bogtrotter]

The lisbon treaty is dead, if all 27 countries don't ratify it it cannot be implemented. The rules of the game states that unanimity is required to proceed...The other 26 countries can go ahead and ratify lisbon but at the end of the day it will not and cannot be implemented legally without all 27 countries ratifying it....They can huff and puff all the like but they are all bound by the rules of the game. Just because we are a small country dosen't mean we can be ignored .....The european project is about creating a better Europe for all .....The lisbon treaty was not in the best interest of a small island country like Ireland....We rejected it as a people and our decision must be respected.....If the attempt to implement this treaty without reaching agreement between all 27 nations then the European project will wither away.

[NotDevsSon]

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, renowned British economist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, tears into Gordon Brown's response to the Irish rejection of Lisbon:


[size=7]Gordon Brown is preparing to break the law over Ireland’s EU vote.[/size]

"By their bullying treatment of Ireland, the powers that be in the European Union are openly threatening to breach the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

The British government is openly threatening to breach our own European Communities Act, which would prohibit ratification of any Treaty unless it was ratified by all other member states. Gordon Brown is preparing to break British law."

"...The German foreign minister Steinmeier said Ireland should "temporarily" withdraw from the EU integration process. If that is not an expulsion threat, I don't know what it is. Presumably Mr Steinmeier knows that Ireland is an integral part of the monetary union, so one can only conclude that he is willing to contemplate a partial disintegration of the euro."

"You can see very quickly that this is a dangerous game."

"The Brussels integrationist knew it was their last chance. They rolled the dice and lost when the French and the Dutch said no. They rolled again with Lisbon, and lost again last week. Now they are playing seriously dirty... Brussels, Paris, Berlin - and London, I am ashamed to say - are pressing ahead with reckless arrogance and stupidity."

Full article here: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/business/a ... euvote.htm

People in Britain are livid that this scandal is continuing, after the House of Lords gave the green light to proceed with ratification yesterday. Unfortunately, Gordon Brown's government seems determined to ignore the people. This Labour government will be booted out of office in 2 years - but by then the damage will be done.

<Mod> Moved to Lisbon Treaty. </Mod>

A classic example of the No nonsense.

1) take legal advice from an economist!!!

2) Quote a eurosceptic as a neutral source! (A bit like their lovebombing of the Czech president without mentioning that he is a uber-eurosceptic who has regularly called for the EU to be abolished, is close to Anthony Coughlan and with his views (against equality legislation, etc) is regarded widely in the Czech Republic as off-the-wall even by conservatives.

3) Misrepresent British and EC law.

But then they did that in the campaign too, making up stuff that wasn't in the treaty, misquoting what was in there, etc.

[Apparatchik]

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A classic example of the No nonsense.

Thank heaven for the Sensible Party:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd13 ... daFlag.jpg

[C&amp;AG]

In case anyone's interested - the wiki source for the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Vienna_Co ... f_Treaties

[Champa]

The lisbon treaty is dead, if all 27 countries don't ratify it it cannot be implemented. The rules of the game states that unanimity is required to proceed...The other 26 countries can go ahead and ratify lisbon but at the end of the day it will not and cannot be implemented legally without all 27 countries ratifying it....They can huff and puff all the like but they are all bound by the rules of the game. Just because we are a small country dosen't mean we can be ignored .....The european project is about creating a better Europe for all .....The lisbon treaty was not in the best interest of a small island country like Ireland....We rejected it as a people and our decision must be respected.....If the attempt to implement this treaty without reaching agreement between all 27 nations then the European project will wither away.

The EU will do whatever it damn well likes, they won't let democracy or any of that nonsense get in the way and will move the goalposts whenever it suits them.

[Shankill Browser]

Didn't want to start a new thread. (Apologies if this is up already)

I heard in the car on the way home from work that a British judge has told the government not to ratify the treaty until the result of a hearing is known next week. Sounds very interesting.

[Twin Towers]

I heard in the car on the way home from work that a British judge has told the government not to ratify the treaty until the result of a hearing is known next week. Sounds very interesting.

Stuart Wheeler.

http://www.stuartwheeler.co.uk/

[Shankill Browser]

Just heard that Mr Wheeler has lost the case and the court has denied him the right of appeal. However, he said that he intends to apply to the Court of Appeal.